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Adam and Eve

reefedjib

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If one's soul is genderless and if one acknowledges reincarnation (John the Baptist was Elijah) and karmic law (you reap what you sow), then we have each been reincarnated as both a man and a woman. Furthermore, our sexual identity has been both gay and straight. How does Adam and Eve fit within this personal identity?
 
reefedjib said:
If one's soul is genderless and if one acknowledges reincarnation (John the Baptist was Elijah) and karmic law (you reap what you sow), then we have each been reincarnated as both a man and a woman. Furthermore, our sexual identity has been both gay and straight. How does Adam and Eve fit within this personal identity?
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they don't. unless they are a metaphor for humankind in general.
 
Imo, they were just symbolic for the male and female aspects of the personality.
 
It's the story (retold) of the God and The Goddess. Yin and Yang. However, for some reason, the male in this story is the good (albiet stupid and gullible) one. The woman becomes the temptress, immoral, who falls for the "snake" (metaphore much???)

That's what happens when men are in charge of what goes into, and what doesn't in the Bible. :2razz:
 
lizzie said:
Imo, they were just symbolic for the male and female aspects of the personality.
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and they must be realized and joined in spiritual marriage, right? Before you can integrate the genders into the genderless soul and transcend.
 
reefedjib said:
and they must be realized and joined in spiritual marriage, right? Before you can integrate the genders into the genderless soul and transcend.
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Yeah, I suspect it's the same concept as self-actualization in the field of psychology. It's integration of different aspects into a united and complete personality.
 
It is interesting to me that originally, the snake got Eve to eat the fruit and mankind got placed in the world and lost access to the garden. However, Adam and Eve in the garden now have all knowledge of creation, but since we each lost access to the garden, this knowledge is hidden from us. The good news is that if we make it back to the garden, we have no need to eat more fruit! So our objective is to:

  1. Realize we have both a male gender and a female gender, spiritually. We may be materialized in this reincarnation as one or the other, but we are actually both
  2. Integrate the genders, at all sheaths. Physically, emotionally, energetically, intellectually, spiritually. This means spiritual marriage. This means fantasizing as being both a man and a woman, and integrating our sexual identity. i.e.making love to ourselves in our mind
  3. Find our way to the doorway of the garden.
  4. Unlock the door
  5. Enter the garden
  6. Lock the door behind us
  7. Trap the snake and immobilize it
  8. ...
 
lizzie said:
Yeah, I suspect it's the same concept as self-actualization in the field of psychology. It's integration of different aspects into a united and complete personality.
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Well, since the first principle of Hermetic Philosophy (ref: Kybalion) is the Principle of Mentalism (this is reflected in many other traditions - ALL IS MIND), then it is all about self-psychology. This, to me, is the meaning of Buddhism's removal of attachments. It is all about psychoanalysis.
 
reefedjib said:
If one's soul is genderless and if one acknowledges reincarnation (John the Baptist was Elijah) and karmic law (you reap what you sow), then we have each been reincarnated as both a man and a woman. Furthermore, our sexual identity has been both gay and straight. How does Adam and Eve fit within this personal identity?
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Faulty premise. Not everyone has been everyone. You've been whoever you've needed to be to accomplish your learning. In other words, not everyone has been gay and straight. Most people have been men and women though.

The Garden of Eden is just a metaphor for humans turning away from the Divine by being distracted with worldly concerns.
 
Temporal said:
The Garden of Eden is just a metaphor for humans turning away from the Divine by being distracted with worldly concerns.
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I certainly see things differently regarding the garden. To me the garden is where Adam and Eve, the primary spiritual gender identities, are married together to transcend gender, allowing access to the soul. They are hanging out at the tree of knowledge of good and evil. This tree is different than the tree of life, which is our individual psychological tree of manifestation. The tree of good and evil is a psychological structure wherein the distinction of morality flows from absolute morality at the roots, to relative morality in the branches.
 
Temporal said:
Faulty premise. Not everyone has been everyone. You've been whoever you've needed to be to accomplish your learning. In other words, not everyone has been gay and straight. Most people have been men and women though.
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I see things differently here, as well. If everyone has been reincarnated as both a man and a woman, then sexual preference has been both for a man an a woman. Sometimes the sexual preference of an incarnation's gender is hetero and sometimes homo. The true realization is that we are both a man and a woman (Adam and Eve) and that we are bisexual. Since we are all genders and all sexual preferences, we are also no gender and asexual. All means none. God, to my thinking, is genderless and asexual (no lust - only chastity).
 
Temporal said:
The Garden of Eden is just a metaphor for humans turning away from the Divine by being distracted with worldly concerns.
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Imo, it's more likely a metaphor for humans turning away from ignorance.
 
lizzie said:
Imo, it's more likely a metaphor for humans turning away from ignorance.
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and finding their way back to God. That is how I think of it.
 
reefedjib said:
If one's soul is genderless and if one acknowledges reincarnation (John the Baptist was Elijah) and karmic law (you reap what you sow), then we have each been reincarnated as both a man and a woman. Furthermore, our sexual identity has been both gay and straight. How does Adam and Eve fit within this personal identity?
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Adam and Eve are characters in an allegory which addresses the human evolutionary development of an advanced prefrontal cortex.

before it evolved, we were in the garden of Eden. after we became more self aware and capable of complex thought processes, we had to carry the burden of knowing that death would reach each and every one of us. that's a difficult burden.

other animals still live in the "Garden of Eden." we do not. it's figurative, and it's actually quite an excellent allegory considering that it was penned by ancient humans.
 
I think Adam an Eve are the primordial psychological/spiritual archetypes for our masculine and feminine genders. We each have Adam and Eve inside our hearts.
 
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reefedjib said:
If one's soul is genderless and if one acknowledges reincarnation (John the Baptist was Elijah) and karmic law (you reap what you sow), then we have each been reincarnated as both a man and a woman. Furthermore, our sexual identity has been both gay and straight. How does Adam and Eve fit within this personal identity?
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What do you mean?

Where do the notions of a "genderless soul," reincarnation," and "karmic law" come from? How do they fit into the Bible?
 
Wake said:
What do you mean?

Where do the notions of a "genderless soul," reincarnation," and "karmic law" come from? How do they fit into the Bible?
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Well, I am not sure what the Bible may say about a genderless soul. If the soul is the vessel for the divine spark, and if we understand that God has no gender, then our soul is genderless.

karmic law - we reap what we sow
reincarnation - John the Baptist was Elijah
 
reefedjib said:
Well, I am not sure what the Bible may say about a genderless soul. If the soul is the vessel for the divine spark, and if we understand that God has no gender, then our soul is genderless.

karmic law - we reap what we sow
reincarnation - John the Baptist was Elijah
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I did some researching.

Apparantly karma is from buddhism/hinduism.

kar·ma
noun /ˈkärmə/ 
1. (in Hinduism and Buddhism) The sum of a person's actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences
2. Destiny or fate, following as effect from cause
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Google

Karmic Law/Law of Karma appears to come from Jainism.

What I was wondering is where the notion of Karmic Law, iyo, comes from, and why it should be applied to Christianity.

With reincarnation, that is not a part of Christianity, but Buddhism/Hinduism. To me it seems you are attempting to mix elements of Buddhism/Hinduism into Christianity.

According to this website, Hinduism views God as genderless.


Hindu Gods and Goddesses, Deities, India, Dev, Devi, list | Hinduism Facts | Facts about Hindu Religion
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Your implying that ignorance is lack of belief in God.
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Ignorance goes both ways.

It's a lack of knowledge or information.

A Christian can be ignorant, and on the other side of that same coin, an atheist can be ignorant.
 
reefedjib said:
Well, I am not sure what the Bible may say about a genderless soul. If the soul is the vessel for the divine spark, and if we understand that God has no gender, then our soul is genderless.

karmic law - we reap what we sow
reincarnation - John the Baptist was Elijah
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Ancient Judaism didn't believe God was genderless, but rather had the qualities of both.

The Shekinah is held by some to represent the feminine attributes of the presence of God (shekhinah being a feminine word in Hebrew), based especially on readings of the Talmud.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Your implying that ignorance is lack of belief in God.
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Ok, let me combine everything, and add a word to your statement:

The Garden of Eden is a metaphor for humans turning away from Divine ignorance and finding their way back to God
 
reefedjib said:
Ok, let me combine everything, and add a word to your statement:

The Garden of Eden is a metaphor for humans turning away from Divine ignorance and finding their way back to God
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So I'm divinley ignorant because I don't believe in God?
 
Wake said:
I did some researching.

Apparantly karma is from buddhism/hinduism.
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Since the Buddha started life as a Hindu, reincarnation comes from Vedic texts in Hinduism.

Wake said:
Karmic Law/Law of Karma appears to come from Jainism.
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One of the six schools of philosophy in Hinduism. Karma also comes from Vedic texts.

Wake said:
What I was wondering is where the notion of Karmic Law, iyo, comes from, and why it should be applied to Christianity.
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"You reap what you sow" is a statement of karmic law. It is the Biblical Law.

Wake said:
With reincarnation, that is not a part of Christianity, but Buddhism/Hinduism. To me it seems you are attempting to mix elements of Buddhism/Hinduism into Christianity.
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Not mix, but demonstrate similar features. "John the Baptist was Elijah" is a clear statement about reincarnation.

Wake said:
According to this website, Hinduism views God as genderless.
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The Trinity may have gender, but there is only one God. Reconcile the Trinity with One God.
 
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