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Is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit 3 separate entities?

Is this referenced somewhere by a professional theologian? I know he wasn't omniscient...

Sorry, Im just confused.

Luke 12:50 " But I have a baptism to be baptized with: and how am I straitened till it be accomplished. "

Philippians 2:5-8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:..."

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"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:..."

The hardest part I guess.
 
God is manifest in the holy spirit and Jesus. The trinity is all God. He is one but also three. It reaches the limits of our human reasoning to fully grasp this. Jesus was fully God. At the same time, he was human. As with the holy spirit. Fully God, yet not seen physically. All attributes of God are present and the same in Jesus and Holy spirit, yet separate also to serve a different purpose. It can get confusing. Example: when Jesus died on the cross, did God die as well? Of course not because all living things depend on the very presence of God. Hope this helps and not confuses you even more!


If the attributes of God are sorted between Jesus and the Holy Spirit....
How do you reconcile with the conflicting attributes of the supposed equal entities, Jesus and God? What about God's immortality and Jesus' morality?
 
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Jesus was The Way.

But to a destination, which is God.
 
Yes,there is God the father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. Three separate entities united by one purpose.
all have bodies of flesh and bone. we were created in Their image.
 
Well in Catholic school they told us that the trinity are three different forms of the same being; so I guess they are the same but different, which I said was stupid but that may of been because I was one of the few Protestants in the school.
 
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God means the head and body of all things. In heaven the Father and angels have different positions but share an equality, where no envy exists. Jesus I believe is the personality of the heavenly Father and came to share in our earthly form, as when the angels came to earth in the old testament would often appear in human form, though in heaven they all have forms similar to the Lord. The Spirit is the essence of God that gives Jesus, angels and all creatures life. Because the Father is the head of the spirit and exist in all He can be everywhere at once, on the throne in heaven, on earth as Jesus and everyone else simultaneously. But the angels, us and all other creatures have distinct souls whereas the Father, Jesus and the Spirit all are the same one. That's why Jesus is born King of Angels and Lord of Lords.

I think this is still probably a little beyond human comprehension and a mystery.
 
It's about having your cake and eating it. (which in itself is a mystery, why would you have cake and NOT eat it?) A monotheistic religion with two extra Gods thrown in free. Who could resist an offer like that? Maybe it's just El (Yahweh) having his wife (Asherah) and his son (Baal) spun into one wholesome package?
 
Christians in the early church came from 2 primary sources, converted Jews who had always beleived in ONE God, and others who usually came from cultures believing in many Gods.....
The Trinity concept is a compromise accepted by most....even if it flies against the actual words in the NT...

Google Marcion, he was one of the early Christians that drew a comparison of the God of the OT vs the God of the NT. His writings were destroyed by the Catholic Church, but writing of others opposing Marcion remain, so we can get an idea of his beliefs from his detractors. OT God was not a warm fuzzy kind of God, NT God was about love and forgiveness, which seems odd if Jesus of the NT is also God of the OT......
 
A good treatise on 'GOD' is in the Ubook. It explains at length many of these questions. And yes, I believe Ja, Jesus, and the holy ghost/infinite spirit all have an individual yet harmonious state of being.
Some of the topics -
I. Deity and Divinity
II. God
III. The First Source and Center
The Seven Absolutes
Reality
Concept of the I AM IV. Universe Reality
Paradise V. Personality Realities
VI. Energy and Pattern
VII. The Supreme Being
VIII. God the Sevenfold
IX. God the Ultimate
X. God the Absolute
XI. The Three Absolutes
XII. The Trinities
Acknowledgment



1. The Universal Father

1. The Father's Name
2. The Reality of God
3. God is a Universal Spirit
4. The Mystery of God
5. Personality of the Universal Father
6. Personality in the Universe
7. Spiritual Value of the Personality Concept



2. The Nature of God

1. The Infinity of God
2. The Father's Eternal Perfection
3. Justice and Righteousness
4. The Divine Mercy
5. The Love of God
6. The Goodness of God
7. Divine Truth and Beauty

Ubook - Foreword | Urantia Book | Urantia Foundation Start here.
 
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I think this is still probably a little beyond human comprehension and a mystery.

yeah, I think Goshin had a good depiction here when he pointed out that we were like two-dimensional beings trying to understand a three-dimensional being.

Christians basically posit three points here:

1. we know it's true
2. we have some imagery that helps us deal with the fact that it works
3. we nonetheless have no idea how.
 
I get confused. Did God take human form as Jesus? Or was Jesus unique?

It's because some Hindu gods have 6 pairs of hands.

All religious claims are false by definition. They are all based on human imagination, fear, or wishful thinking, therefore false.
 
It's because some Hindu gods have 6 pairs of hands.

All religious claims are false by definition. They are all based on human imagination, fear, or wishful thinking, therefore false.
You're trolling again.
 
yeah, I think Goshin had a good depiction here when he pointed out that we were like two-dimensional beings trying to understand a three-dimensional being.

Christians basically posit three points here:

1. we know it's true
2. we have some imagery that helps us deal with the fact that it works
3. we nonetheless have no idea how.


Exactly, I believe for you to gain some insight that can't be transferred by words from one to another you have to have faith first, then the divine reveals. But it's an individual experience that can't be shared because you don't see God so much as you experience the supreme being.
 
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Its on standby.;)
The Trinity is one, and the most popular, explanation of the nature of the Godhead in Christianity, but it's far from being the only or even the defining explanation. In earlier centuries the Gnostics and the Arians were all monotheistic. Nowadays you could be a Christadelphia, Quaker, Unitarian, Jehovah's Witness or Mormon christian and not need to get your head around the triune Godhead.

Is the doctrine of the Trinity important to your faith in God?
 
The Trinity is one, and the most popular, explanation of the nature of the Godhead in Christianity, but it's far from being the only or even the defining explanation. In earlier centuries the Gnostics and the Arians were all monotheistic. Nowadays you could be a Christadelphia, Quaker, Unitarian, Jehovah's Witness or Mormon christian and not need to get your head around the triune Godhead.

Is the doctrine of the Trinity important to your faith in God?

I've found some truth for me in almost every religion, philosophy and science.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." << true

Some of the OT stories even came from prior religions of Mesopotamia area, Sumeria, Assyria and Babylonia.
 
I've found some truth for me in almost every religion, philosophy and science.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." << true

Some of the OT stories even came from prior religions of Mesopotamia area, Sumeria, Assyria and Babylonia.

Which is why I asked Enola whether belief in the Trinity is important for her faith. I lost my faith in the Christian God largely because you are required to take your sense of the numinous and shackle it to a set of dogma that seems unreasonable, contradictory and immutable. I couldn't suspend my reason in favour of faith and yet felt as if I was constantly being required to do so.

I like the fact that in following the teachings of Buddha, one can believe in a God or gods, or not. Such considerations are a personal matter and do not impinge on the truth of the teachings and the analysis of existence. My concern for Enola in this discussion is that she appears to feel as if she needs some reassurance that she's "doing it right". This suggests she's looking for reassurance or confirmation of aligning with an orthodoxy. If that's what she wants she'll get a variety of views, but how is she to decide which to take on board?
 
Which is why I asked Enola whether belief in the Trinity is important for her faith. I lost my faith in the Christian God largely because you are required to take your sense of the numinous and shackle it to a set of dogma that seems unreasonable, contradictory and immutable. I couldn't suspend my reason in favour of faith and yet felt as if I was constantly being required to do so.

I like the fact that in following the teachings of Buddha, one can believe in a God or gods, or not. Such considerations are a personal matter and do not impinge on the truth of the teachings and the analysis of existence. My concern for Enola in this discussion is that she appears to feel as if she needs some reassurance that she's "doing it right". This suggests she's looking for reassurance or confirmation of aligning with an orthodoxy. If that's what she wants she'll get a variety of views, but how is she to decide which to take on board?


I don't get Enola as being naive so much about her faith, rather a common query as to whether there's an accurate way to refer in prayer to the deity. I can certainly understand the distaste for rigid dogma that has no need for the ability to reason. But the desire to not deal with religion on a thinking level and accept a more communal gathering and worship must also have its appeal.

Most religion is of documentary human origin anyway and is of a personal nature regardless of popular opinion. But the answer would be that anyone of the three in general or possibly just prayer to something divine would suffice. I believe whether you believe or not has little bearing on how your life is determined afterwards or hereafter.
 
I don't get Enola as being naive so much about her faith, rather a common query as to whether there's an accurate way to refer in prayer to the deity.
Well, perhaps she does, like many people, struggle to equate her inner faith with the complex and sometimes rigid orthodoxy of an organised religion. Culturally she may feel allegiance to mainstream trinitarian Christianity, but there may be disconnects between what that means and what her inner voice is telling her. What do I know? She's a very genuine person and speaks from her heart. That's good enough for me to show her questions respect. Not that I'm suggesting you aren't, btw.

Your other comments seem eminently sensible.
 
Jesus also said "I and my Father are one..."
"He who hath the Son has the Father also..."


The trinity is difficult to comprehend, but it is three personalities/facets/avatars of one being. I believe that God is a multidimensional entity... just as a 3D person could only intrude on a 2D world as a "slice of himself" from the 2D perspective, yet still be singular in his own perspective, God is so multidimensionally vast that only a tiny fraction of Himself can intersect our reality at any one place and time, or something drastic might happen. As He told Moses, "no man can see me and live..."

Jesus was that personality of God who choose to limit himself to human form and human frailty, in order to show us first hand how to live in fellowship with God and to create a bridge between holy God and sinful Man. Only a man could walk among us as one of us, but only God could create a way for us to escape our own sinfulness and reach Him.

I am a non-believer, but have always thought the claim that an entity cannot be a single being and at the same be a trinity to be very unimaginative. You have explained the concept beautifully here.
 
Exactly, I believe for you to gain some insight that can't be transferred by words from one to another you have to have faith first, then the divine reveals. But it's an individual experience that can't be shared because you don't see God so much as you experience the supreme being.

you must have faith to believe, and you must believe to have faith?
 
The Trinity is one, and the most popular, explanation of the nature of the Godhead in Christianity, but it's far from being the only or even the defining explanation. In earlier centuries the Gnostics and the Arians were all monotheistic. Nowadays you could be a Christadelphia, Quaker, Unitarian, Jehovah's Witness or Mormon christian and not need to get your head around the triune Godhead.

Is the doctrine of the Trinity important to your faith in God?
IMO, having the correct concept of God is less important than following the commandments of the one whose name is used to describe the christian church........Christ..
and we should be careful about taking that name for vain or selfish reasons...
 
I wonder? I just read it with out any bias and was amazed that the u book has a lot of coincidental occurrences that also gets mentioned in other fabled/religious histories as well as things mentioned that have only recently occured in astrophysics, condensed matter, cosmology, and other sciences. I believe the start to being open to the truth is in the spirit or with spirituality, which is instructed in the Bible, Torah, Qur'an, Book of Mormon, Wicca, Taoism, Buddhism (caveat - in a way.), and the U book.
 
This site explains it pretty good

The dogma of the Trinity

The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.

Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God." In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This, the Church teaches, is the revelation regarding God's nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man as the foundation of her whole dogmatic system.


CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Blessed Trinity
 
The Father/Allah/Vishnu/Atum and the Mother/Holy Spirit are the uppermost spiritual projections, or manifestations, of Allah/Brahmin/One Love into the realm of vibration and Mental conceptualization (as in the Mind of God). The Father is the active principle, while the Mother is the arena within which action occurs. They Love each other. They created each other.

They conceived of Adam/Christ/Horus/Krishna and Eve/Mary, together the supersoul. Once again, the masculine gender is the decider and the feminine gender is the space of activity. However, the genders have started to be mixed. Adam/Christ is not only an actor, he is also a space within which he can act, as well as within Eve/Mary. Eve/Mary is not only a space of activity, she can also act...thus she decided, independently, to eat the fruit of the Tree of Good and Evil. They Love each other.

Christ is the Son of the Father and the Mother.

One level of manifestation below this, we have Baby Jesus. Baby Jesus is the soul. There are many Baby Jesuses, in the Garden. The only way to create all the souls is if they were bound by Karmic Law. So, from life to life, as karmic debts accumulate and get resolved, each soul has a perfect accounting of all actions every incarnation of that soul made and the soul exists somewhere within the tree of good and evil, from absolute morality to the most selfish relative morality. Baby Jesus is a perfect balance of the masculine and feminine genders, and so is implicitly bisexual, and due to the principle that all is none and none is all, the soul is asexual and genderless. It is a unity of genders, although there could be picked apart the genders if so desired. Baby Jesus loves himself.

Baby Jesus is the Son of Christ and Mary.

When a reincarnation occurs (John the Baptist was Elijah; The Second Coming of Christ), the soul manifests a self, which has an id. A part of the id is the gender and sexual orientation of the person. A gay man or a straight woman. This of course means that statistically, fully half the world is gay. Closely associated with this sexual identity is the ego and psychological attachment. Thus begins the confusion of sin in the sexual realm and the resulting bad attachments and actions, that makes some people so unpredictable and unstable and mentally ill. There is residual memory of having been all combinations, so the incarnated self is also bisexual, in sort of a meta way. An incarnation does have both internal genders.

An incarnation is the Son of Baby Jesus (both spiritual genders internal, so Baby Jesus is both the father and the mother).

From the self manifests the mind (the conscious mind (male) and the unconscious mind (female)).

From the mind manifests the body (breathe (male) and senses (female)).

Prior to birth, a fetus knows he or she is Baby Jesus and knows his spiritual parents and grandparents, and exists spiritually connected. On birth, a child gets blindsided by "reality" and totally loses connection to the spiritual realms after several months, as attachments build and blind. This makes abortion the worst sin.

That's five layers of Trinity emanating from Allah/Brahmin/One Love. It is all based on love within each trinity, and honoring your Father and your Mother.
 
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