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Female Pope? Bishop? Cardinal? Priest? [W:235]

Your logic is spot on, but I would change the facts a bit. I would say that female priests are not even possible. An Ecumenical Council cannot overturn it, it is an infallible doctrine and thus cannot change. God would never move an Ecumenical Council to overturn the infallible magisterium of the Church, that would be a contradiction.

Now that I think about it; there is no precedent or mechanism for an Ecumenical Council or even the Magisterium to overturn anything declared to be infallible so I agree and amend my previous statement to conclude that it is impossible under cannon law.

On everything else I entirely agree, though. Thank you for your astute, well-reasoned and, most importantly, polite post.

Thanks for presenting the case from a Catholic point of view! Although I am not a "true" Catholic myself; its good see someone provide some counterbalance to the anti-Catholicism which seems to be a dominant force around here.
 
I already proved all your questions to be incoherent.



False. It is impossible to answer a logically incoherent question. A logically incoherent idea is something like a married bachelor, since a bachelor cannot be married, or a female Catholic priest, since a Catholic priest cannot be a woman. You can mimic an answer by saying yes or no, but this has no semantic meaning. Frankly, this is a concept of advanced logic that I fear you may not be understanding.



This is false. Incoherence is a matter of strict definition, not opinion. That an married bachelor is incoherent is a fact. Likewise, that a female Catholic priest is incoherent is also a fact. This is not a matter of opinion. Do you see yet how fundamentally wrong you are?



This is incoherent, for the reasons stated above. There cannot be a female pope, it is a contradiction in terms. Maleness is essential to popeness.



Still false, no matter how many times you incorrect assert it.


Yes, see above.



I have not denied any facts, you have. I would venture to guess that your persistent Catholic-bashing gives you some sort of peace. Why you continue to argue against points of elementary logic, though, I cannot understand.



There are no facts that have been denied by me. Why do you continue to deny that when an adjective contradicts the essential properties of the noun it modifies, the idea is internally contradictory and therefore logically incoherent?

again you have provided ZERO facts to the contrary of my statements,

they are still 100% true and me and others have proved that while all you have offered is opinion and "nu-huh"

this two statements are still 100% true until you prove otherwise with facts
1.) the question is 100% answerable: FACT
2.) calling the questions incoherent is 100% subjective opinion: FACT

we'll keep waiting, we have facts and you have "nu-huh", ill stick with the facts

you have given us nothing but your opinion to argue against those two facts and now you have officially LIED. I didnt bash Catholics one time LOL let alone your made up lie of persistently Catholic-bashing.

I know you are a dishonest poster but please remain civil so you dont get yourself infracted.
 
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What are abnormal conditions? Yes, it is normal (since it has been done fairly often) to ordain a married man into the Catholic Priesthood.

Unless something has happened in the last few years there are no married men a priests in the RCC. There are married deacons and widowed men with children but no married men. If this has changed please provide the bull or edict that changed this.
 
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Unless something has happened in the last few years there are no married men a priests in the RCC. There are married deacons and widowed men with children but no married men. If this has changed please provide the bull or edict that changed this.

Wrong.

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Why wouldn't someone be ok with it? Because it's heresy, that's why.

NOt prior the the Constantinople conclave in the 4th century. The early church welcomed them. It was a decision by a bunch of Alpha males to stop it and it still continued for several decades even after that.
 
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NOt prior the the Constantinople conclave in the 4th century. The early church welcomed them. It was a decision by a bunch of Alpha males to stop it and it still continued for several decades even after that.

You are citing the examples of heresy. We Catholics believe that Nicea codified what was already Church orthodoxy directly from Christ. Just because some pre-Nicene heretics deviated from Catholic orthodoxy does not make them valid. They are simply pre-Nicene heretics.
 
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Guy I don't want to sound rude but your protestations as to never and not possible are not accurate. I was born RC and lived through V II. That was a fundamental shift in Church Doctrine, policy and practice (mass in English, parishners allowed to serve themselves, open dialogue with other faiths.) If the Pope deems it appropriate it will happen. He can do this because there is gospel and scriptural evidence to support it as I mentioned earlier. If you read the gospel of Mary of Magdela and Philipp you will see that there were women priests in the early church. The practice was banned in the 4th century not by the Pope but by constantine and a bunch of alpha males in the hierarchy who did not want to share power.

If the Pope and/or the College or Cardinals says its ok then it WILL happen. To say that it will not ever is foolish. There have been many Papal edicts and bulls over the centuries changing the direction that the church has gone and will go. they don't happen much anymore but it is not impossible.

I support women priests there are already women deacons. We are all children of God and therefore have the right to teach its divine word.
 
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Wrong.

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Like I said prove it with the Papal decress that changed this otherwise your wrong has not substance at all.
 
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You are citing the examples of heresy. We Catholics believe that Nicea codified what was already Church orthodoxy directly from Christ. Just because some pre-Nicene heretics deviated from Catholic orthodoxy does not make them valid. They are simply pre-Nicene heretics.

This is incorrect the early church did not see them as heretics at the time. They were declared heretics at the Conclave in Nicea
 
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This is incorrect the early church did not see them as heretics at the time. They were declared heretics at the Conclave in Nicea

The "early church" consisted of about two dozen different sects that all contradicted one another and they all viewed each other as heretics. The original Church founded by Christ, now known the Catholic Church, was one of these and was ultimately codified at Nicea.
 
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Religions can do what they want, if a person doesnt like they are bigoted and hypocritical in ways join another religion:shrug:
within the law. Of course, if the law goes against their religion, they want the law changed to reflect their religious beliefs.
 
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within the law. Of course, if the law goes against their religion, they want the law changed to reflect their religious beliefs.

yep, and those people have serious issues IMO.

my religion is my religion and theres many laws that dont line up with it and I dont want the laws changed SOLELY based on my religion and to force my views on others because that would make me a hypocrite and probably a bigot
 
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Like I said prove it with the Papal decress that changed this otherwise your wrong has not substance at all.

Read the thread. Check the links, the answers are already posted.
 
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Like I said prove it with the Papal decress that changed this otherwise your wrong has not substance at all.

Briefly, the Anglican Ordinariate permits former Anglican/episcopalian priests who return to the Church to stay married.
 
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Guy I don't want to sound rude but your protestations as to never and not possible are not accurate. I was born RC and lived through V II. That was a fundamental shift in Church Doctrine, policy and practice (mass in English, parishners allowed to serve themselves, open dialogue with other faiths.) If the Pope deems it appropriate it will happen. He can do this because there is gospel and scriptural evidence to support it as I mentioned earlier. If you read the gospel of Mary of Magdela and Philipp you will see that there were women priests in the early church. The practice was banned in the 4th century not by the Pope but by constantine and a bunch of alpha males in the hierarchy who did not want to share power.

If the Pope and/or the College or Cardinals says its ok then it WILL happen. To say that it will not ever is foolish. There have been many Papal edicts and bulls over the centuries changing the direction that the church has gone and will go. they don't happen much anymore but it is not impossible.

I support women priests there are already women deacons. We are all children of God and therefore have the right to teach its divine word.

Nothing can change the doctrine on female ordination being impossible because it is part of th infallible magisterium. So it would be logically inconceivable for the infallible Pope to contradict the infallible magisterium. The change at Vatican II were sweeping but did not change infallible doctrine in any respect. The Lain Mass for example is subject to change, so is the new vernacular Mass. It is not infallible doctrine. But the miacle of the euharist cannot change. Similarly the nature of he sacrament of ordination always has been and always will be and logically MUST remain male-only; it is the unchanging nature of the sacrament.
The idea that the Church can " progress" in this regard does violence to the Catholic faith itself.
 
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This is non sense the Church like all other man based religions will change its mind any time it wants to. The Magisterium as been modified over time and you know it.
 
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This is non sense the Church like all other man based religions will change its mind any time it wants to. The Magisterium as been modified over time and you know it.

The infallible magisterium cannot change. It is impossible. Please read the edits to my prior post.
 
Would you support such a thing, or not?

Specifically, why not?

Why does the Catholic Church not allow a female to be Pope? Or any of the other major positions of power?

Do you think it's possible you'll see this archaic practice changed within your lifetime?

Would you want it changed?

It is absolutely impossible for a female to be ordained to any level of the clergy. The Pope is necessarily a bishop, so it is not possible for their to be a female Pope.
 
1.)Would you support such a thing, or not?
2.)Specifically, why not?
3.)Why does the Catholic Church not allow a female to be Pope? Or any of the other major positions of power?
4.)Do you think it's possible you'll see this archaic practice changed within your lifetime?
5.)Would you want it changed?

1.) of course cause im not a misogynist
2.) see @1
3.) its the doctrine, teachings and writings but i wouldnt be surprised if in the future they change it
4.) my life time? no
5.) Im christian but not catholic so i dont care since its only religion
 
1.) of course cause im not a misogynist
2.) see @1
3.) its the doctrine, teachings and writings but i wouldnt be surprised if in the future they change it
4.) my life time? no
5.) Im christian but not catholic so i dont care since its only religion

To put it in Agent J-ese:

You're wrong that's just a fact the teaching can never change it's impossible it's just a fact you have no facts to objectively factually support your opinion yep no facts.
 
To put it in Agent J-ese:
You're wrong that's just a fact the teaching can never change it's impossible it's just a fact you have no facts to objectively factually support your opinion yep no facts.

theres nothing i said that was wrong, i answered the questions asked of me and gave my opinion and some facts lol
 
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