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The belief that life begins at conception is the notion that sperm is more important than a living woman.
Good find. I wonder what implications this has on those who adhere to the bible.
Those crafty Catholics found a loop hole -- Oxygenated blood travels through the umbilical cord. Seriously, that's how they explain their pro-life stand.
I've watched two babies being born and two parents die--first breath is a powerful idea.
Thank you to the OP for posting this.
It really doesn't matter what the bible says to these pro-lifers, they are only interested in punishing people for "illicit" sex anyway. Why else would they now be starting on birth control? Either they are jealous of the "freedom" they believe they were cheated out of or are so hung up on sex that they blame the worlds problems on it
At least some posters on this board are honest about the real reason and it has nothing to do with a tadpoles "life". I know all the denials that will follow but they are only fooling themselves.
Those crafty Catholics found a loop hole -- Oxygenated blood travels through the umbilical cord. Seriously, that's how they explain their pro-life stand.
I've watched two babies being born and two parents die--first breath is a powerful idea.
Thank you to the OP for posting this.
For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place,
when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my unformed body --- Psalm 139:13-16
...and the most obvious:
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you. --- Jeremiah 1:5
Jeremiah 1:5 is one of my favorites. Lets take another gander at it:
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you." Jeremiah 1:5
God says that He knew Jeremiah not only before he was born, but before he was even formed in the womb. BEFORE he was even conceived. By this standard, life does not begin at conception, but rather it begins BEFORE conception. If we continue to follow the logic, then not having sex with a girl that you have the opportunity to have sex with is murder because you killed the person who could have been born as a result of your intercourse. That potential for pregnancy was already a human life since God knew them before they were conceived. By preventing their conception, you murdered them.
A more reasonable interpretation is that God knew Jeremiah before he was conceived, because he knew that Jeremiah would be conceived. He appointed Jeremiah as a prophet to the nations before he was born because He knew that Jeremiah would be born.
In the same way that He might know that any given pair of sperm and egg might not ever become a human life, He might also know that a given fetus will never become a human life. Knowing people before they are conceived does not mean that He knows non-people who will never be conceived. Similarly it does not mean that He knows non-people before they are miscarried.
Can you link me to this umbilical cord/oxygenated blood thing? I've never heard of it. Is this Catholic doctrine?
Then why are you posting on this thread?
Then why are you posting on this thread?
Panache, What about real functions functioning as always compared to every interpretation humanity composed to plant seeds of doubt by either side of theology vs theory in metaphysical sciences of psychiatry, psychology creating philosophies to die for?
I mean humanity invents ways to tip the scales of natural balnce holding the moment as is going on now and societal architechs of humanity's social identities get all the glory in creating the world to become a set of staged events fighting over character's rights taking gender liberty away without a fight in fear of making self fulfilling prophecies come true.
Now I understand symbolism over substance as one better mind the words of faith because their sole body doesn't matter under rule of law.
The Humanity of the Pre-born in the Old Testament
God had plans for us before we were born. Jeremiah 1:4-5; Isaiah 49:1, 5
David discusses the spiritual state he was in before he was born (his personhood began at conception). Psalm 51:5
Jacob and Esau were distinct individuals before birth. Genesis 25:22-28
Scripture gives identity to unborn human life. Psalm 139 - notice the spiritual relationship the psalmist has while in the womb "The psalmist surveys his life in four stages: Past, present, future, and before birth, and in all four refers to himself as 'I.' He who is writing as a full-grown man has the same personal identity as the fetus in his mother's womb." (John R.W. Stott)
Samson's mother is told to alter her diet while pregnant because Samson, the child in her womb is to be consecrated unto the Lord. Here we have a direct concern for the life of the preborn. Judges 13:2-5
These verses do not distinguish between "potential life" and "actual life" when referring to the pre-born. Genesis 16:11; Isaiah 46:3-4; Psalm 22:9-10 (Notice in Psalm 22:10. "From my mother's womb you have been my God."
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The Humanity of the Pre-born in the New Testament
Paul was set apart from his mother's womb. Galatians 1:15
Jesus is spoken of in the womb. Matthew 1:20-21 (Note: The incarnation is the most compelling Christian apologetic for the sanctity of unborn human life. To argue that life does not begin at conception must lead one to assume that the human Christ was at one point a "potentially human" Christ. Those who say that life does not begin at conception are in direct opposition to the Apostles' Creed and in almost certain agreement with an early heresy, "adoptionism." which claimed that Jesus became God at some later point in life. The early church refuted this, and affirmed in the Apostles' Creed that the eternal Son became incarnate in Mary's womb, choosing the phrase, "conveived by the Holy Ghost." That which was conceived by the Holy Ghost was not an "it," a "potential human," or a "blob of tissue." It was our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.)
John the Baptist is spoken in the womb. Luke 1:15-17 - Filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb. Luke 1:39-44. John's reaction to the pre-born Christ entering the room. (Note that Luke 1:36 tells us Elizabeth was six months along when Jesus was conceived in Mary's womb. Verse 56 tells us that Mary stayed with Elizabeth for three months until Elizabeth gave birth to John the Baptist. This means that Mary was literally in the first weeks or even days of her pregnancy when she approached Elizabeth, was called the mother of the Lord, and carried the embryo Christ who elicited John's leap in the womb.)
The Greek word brephos (lit. "babe" or "baby") is used to describe the pre-born and the born. Born: Luke 2:12, 16; Acts 7:19; 1 Peter 2:2. Pre-born: Luke 1:41, 44.
Following your logic, what then would be the moral implications for humans?