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    Biblically, life begins at birth

    Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrilsthe breath of life; and man became a living being." The first human life did not begin with the first two particles of dust that God assembled. It didn't even begin when all of the particles of dust were assembled. It began with the first breath.

    This is far from the only passage that suggests that life begins with the first breath rather than conception:

    -Job 33:4 "The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life."

    -Ezekiel 37:5 "This is what the Sovereign LORD says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life."


    In fact both the Hebrew and Greek words for "soul" are synonymous with "breath"

    -Ruach: Strong's Hebrew: 7307. ?????? (ruach) -- breath, wind, spirit

    -Nephesh: Strong's Hebrew: 5315. ??????? (nephesh) -- a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion

    -Pneuma: Strong's Greek: 4151. ?????? (pneuma) -- wind, spirit



    Clearly the Biblically supported position is that life begins not at conception but with the first breath.



    Furthermore. the Bible gives explicit instructions on how to force a woman to abort a pregnancy that results from an adulterous relationship:

    Numbers 5:11 "Then the LORD said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her...

    ...may the LORD cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

    “‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

    ...If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry

    Question for debate: Is there any sort of biblical support for the notion that life begins at conception?

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    Re: Biblically, life begins at birth

    Good find. I wonder what implications this has on those who adhere to the bible.

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    Re: Biblically, life begins at birth

    The belief that life begins at conception is the notion that sperm is more important than a living woman.
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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    Re: Biblically, life begins at birth

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The belief that life begins at conception is the notion that sperm is more important than a living woman.
    No it isn't. It is the belief that life begins at conception. It is also a secular belief that contradicts the biblical account.

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    Re: Biblically, life begins at birth

    We discussed this - in another thread - and we had some more passages, too . . . . but I can't find that post

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    Re: Biblically, life begins at birth

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    Good find. I wonder what implications this has on those who adhere to the bible.
    Those crafty Catholics found a loop hole -- Oxygenated blood travels through the umbilical cord. Seriously, that's how they explain their pro-life stand.

    I've watched two babies being born and two parents die--first breath is a powerful idea.

    Thank you to the OP for posting this.

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    Re: Biblically, life begins at birth

    It really doesn't matter what the bible says to these pro-lifers, they are only interested in punishing people for "illicit" sex anyway. Why else would they now be starting on birth control? Either they are jealous of the "freedom" they believe they were cheated out of or are so hung up on sex that they blame the worlds problems on it
    At least some posters on this board are honest about the real reason and it has nothing to do with a tadpoles "life". I know all the denials that will follow but they are only fooling themselves.

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    Re: Biblically, life begins at birth

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Those crafty Catholics found a loop hole -- Oxygenated blood travels through the umbilical cord. Seriously, that's how they explain their pro-life stand.

    I've watched two babies being born and two parents die--first breath is a powerful idea.

    Thank you to the OP for posting this.
    So life begins with the umbilical cord?

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    Re: Biblically, life begins at birth

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It really doesn't matter what the bible says to these pro-lifers, they are only interested in punishing people for "illicit" sex anyway. Why else would they now be starting on birth control? Either they are jealous of the "freedom" they believe they were cheated out of or are so hung up on sex that they blame the worlds problems on it
    At least some posters on this board are honest about the real reason and it has nothing to do with a tadpoles "life". I know all the denials that will follow but they are only fooling themselves.
    So this is really about abortion rather than religion, right? Wrong forum if so.

    But catch me up to speed, Iguanaman. Where's your evidence that "pro-lifers" are interested only in "illicit sex"?

    And who is just now "starting" on birth control? Point me to where this is a new development because I obviously haven't been paying your close attention.

    I like your either/or; it's a classic. Thank you. It illuminates so clearly the logic deficits in those of narrow, made-up minds. When you spell it out so clearly, there's really no way anybody could ever respond reasonably to you.

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    Re: Biblically, life begins at birth

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Those crafty Catholics found a loop hole -- Oxygenated blood travels through the umbilical cord. Seriously, that's how they explain their pro-life stand.

    I've watched two babies being born and two parents die--first breath is a powerful idea.

    Thank you to the OP for posting this.
    Oxygenated blood does not travel through the umbilical chord at conception, so do the Catholics at least acknowlege that life does not begin then either?

    Also, oxygenated blood travels to my hand. Does that mean that my hand is a seperated life? My hand does not draw breath. It is just a part of me, and uses the oxygen from the breath I draw. Should my hand offend me, I might cut it off, and it would not be murder.
    Last edited by Panache; 02-11-12 at 01:12 AM.

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