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Fox Special: "Escape From Hamas" Sat. 1/3/09 @ 10pm

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Fox News Special: "Escape From Hamas" Sat. 1/3/09 @ 10pm

Son of Hamas Leader Gives Glimpse Into Terror Organization

As Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other world leaders try to broker a cease-fire agreement between Israel and Hamas, one former member of the militant Islamic organization said there will never be lasting peace between the two groups.

"There is no chance. Is there any chance for fire to co-exist with the water?" said Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of the group's founding members.

Yousef added: "It's not about Israel, it's not about Hamas: it's about both ideologies."

Yousef, son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, one of the most influential leaders of the militant group, said the organization betrays the Palestinian cause and tortures its own members.

Hamas, formed in the late 1980's as an outgrowth of the Palestinian branch of the radical Muslim Brotherhood, is considered a terror organization by the U.S. government. Hamas seized power in the Gaza strip in 2007 in a violent coup against the more moderate Palestinian Authority led by Mahmoud Abbas.

Yousef said he was indoctrinated at an early age to use violence to challenge Israeli control in the region. As a teenager he moved up within the organization and became the leader of the radical Islamic Youth Movement that fought Israeli tanks and troops in the streets, celebrated suicide bombings and recruited young men to the cause.

Yousef, 30, said he realized the true nature of Hamas and radical Islam during a stint in an Israeli prison. He renounced his Muslim faith, left his family behind in Ramallah and converted to Christianity.

"Islam is not the word of God," said Yousef. "If you want to be offended it's your problem. But you know something? Go study. Think for a second that I might be right. So wake up, look at your path, see where you're going. Are you really going to heaven with 72 virgins after you kill yourself and kill another 20 people?"

Yousef has sought asylum in the United States and now attends an evangelical Christian church on Barabbas Road in San Diego, Calif.

"The Hamas leadership, including my father, they're responsible; they're responsible for all the violence that happened from the organization. I know they describe it as reaction to Israeli aggression, but still, they are part of it and they had to make decisions in those operations against Israel (for) which there was the killing of many civilians."

Yousef talks more about his extraordinary story of faith, courage, violence and betrayal in a FOX News documentary, "Escape From Hamas," hosted by Bill Hemmer.

Escape from Hamas airs Sat at 10p, with repeats at 1am and 4a, EST, and Sun at 9pm, with repeats at 12 midnight, 2am, EST.

FOXNews.com - Son of Hamas Leader Gives Glimpse Into Terror Organization - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
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I just set my DVR to record it. You know this young man is not the first to escape from hamas. Walid Shoebat is a former PLO terrorist. Here are a couple of quotes from Walid.

"Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?"
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If the Palestinian leadership continues to support terror they cannot
expect Israel to talk peace or to be overly concerned with all the "civil
rights" of Palestinians. When the Palestinian leadership finally and
completely accept Israel's existence and wish to set up a democratic state,
based on equal rights for Jews, Christians, women, free press and all the
values of a western civilized democracy, then and only then can peace be
achieved.
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The Holocaust never ended but the victims have decided to defend themselves.
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Check out Walid Shoebats website.
Walid Shoebat - Former PLO Terrorist who speaks out for Israel
 
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Yeah I saw this advertised . This kid is the son of one of the founding members of Hamas. They say he has already recieved death threats from Al Qaida.

Moe
 
Traditional Islam demands the death of apostates, as well as an infidel who criticizes Islam. This guy has tremendous spheroidal steadfastness.
 
I watched this special on Musab Hassan Yousef. He is one brave man who I believe is telling the truth about his former faith and about Hamas. He says that Islam is a bi-polar religion and that it is full of contradictions. He said that Islam was collapsing from within. His hope is that he can lead millions of muslims out of Islam. He has come to the conclussion over years of study of his qur'an and bible that Islam is like a drug. One passage in the bible changed everything for him.

Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shall love thy neighbor, and hate your enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

He said he had never heard anyhting like this before. That it changed him forever. Love your enemies was profound to this young man from the West Bank of the Jordan river. He grew up the son of one of the founders of Hamas in Ramallah, was himself the leader of Hamas youth movement. Remembers the first entifadh, he was just 10 years old and went everywhere with his father who was preaching hatred of Jews and Israel. His father Sheikh Hassan Yousef who is now in an Israeli prison. He now believes Islam is a lie and a false religion.

Well he must have struck a cord because al-Qaeda has issued a statment condemning Hamas for allowing him to escape. al-Qaeda in closing quoted the Hadith of Bukahri widely regarded as the words of the prophet Muhammad by Sunni muslims "The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him." ~ Bukahri V4B52N260

He now lives in San Diego California. He has been contacted by the FBI and is seeking political asylum in the United States. He is without a job. I am trying to find out if there is a way to get money to him to help him out.

The last time he spoke to his father in prison from the USA he told his father that someday he (his father) would come to Christianity. That he was very close to it now. His father cried.
 
I see that as of now this thread has 102 views yet only 4 comments. I think this is a profound story and Im am surprised that more people arn't intrested. Especially with the war going on in Gaza. I wonder what Musab Hassan thinks about it?
 
You have a very good eye for detail. You'd make a good reporter I think.

I was extremely impressed by this fellow.

He had many things to say about Islam that I have come to believe from my own studies, however it was still startling to hear it from someone who had been a practitioner.

I'll be interested to see who believed Mr. Yousef, and who believed the Imam or whatever he was with the giant beard and the "Gilligan" hat, when the two were in conflict. This is of particular interest since Christianity forbids free lying to friend or enemy , but Islam allows lying to Infidels.

Kudos to Fox for broadcasting mt. Yousef's condemnation of Islam, but I wish they'd not gone on for so long about how "shocking" his statements were.
 
Escape from Hamas airs Saturday at 9 p.m., with repeats at 1 a.m. and 4 a.m. EST, and Sunday at 9 p.m., with repeats at 12 midnight, 2 a.m., EST.
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This is a reminder/bump.
 
who watched it...what did you guys think? i don't have a TV so i'm relying on what i hear here.
 
Graffight said:
wow...as i read and learn more the differences between Christianity and Islam become bigger and bigger...this story is very sad indeed.
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I'm a Christian but from the Muslim perspective as I see it, Islam is the superior system. It is Allah's system.

In our way of life, government and religion are separate. In Islam they are the same. In fact there is still is no word in any of the Muslim languages for politics.

The word siassah, now used as a synonym for politics, initially meant whipping stray camels into line.( Sa'es al-kheil is a person who brings back lost camels to the caravan. )The closest translation may be: regimentation.

Nor is there mention of such words as government and the state in the Koran.

Amir Taheri: "Islam Is Incompatible With Democracy"
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Their argument might be that if you believe in a Higher Being and He gives you a system for living how can you propose your own system and think it is the better one?
 
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bhkad said:
I'm a Christian but from the Muslim perspective as I see it, Islam is the superior system. It is Allah's system.

In our way of life, government and religion are separate. In Islam they are the same. In fact there is still is no word in any of the Muslim languages for politics.



Their argument might be that if you believe in a Higher Being and He gives you a system for living how can you propose your own system and think it is the better one?
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I am a Christian to and in no way would I want to see a Christian theocratic our way or the highway governing body in the US. That would be the end of the God given right of freewill. There is no where in our scripture that teaches that we are to force our beliefs on others via political means. In fact there is no where in our scripture that says we are to enforce in any way shape or form our beliefs upon another human being period. We are SUPPOSED to spread our faith by living it and being a living testimony to those around us. And in that we have failed miserably and turned our faith into a mockery as even the scriptures attest to,

Ro 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
Ro 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
Ro 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Ro 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Ro 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
Ro 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.


And even at that, Which Christian belief system would run the show? Catholics? All citizens are required to say the rosary every morning and night? Pentecostal? Only those who have received the gifts of the Holy Spirit need apply? If our government was all religious only, Or the opposite, Only atheists need apply then fanaticism would be the rule of the land. No Bk I am sorry. Separation of church and State with all the people religious or non having an equal voice and opportunity to hold office is the best of systems.

Moe
 
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bhkad said:
Fox News Special: "Escape From Hamas" Sat. 1/3/09 @ 10pm
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"Are you really going to heaven with 72 virgins after you kill yourself and kill another 20 people?"
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That is incredibly profound! This guy sees it clearly. As Limbaugh has stated numerous times, the only way to peace is Israel achieving 100% victory over its enemies. And that means killing them all, sad to say.
 
moe said:
I am a Christian to and in no way would I want to see a Christian theocratic our way or the highway governing body in the US. That would be the end of the God given right of freewill. There is no where in our scripture that teaches that we are to force our beliefs on others via political means. In fact there is no where in our scripture that says we are to enforce in any way shape or form our beliefs upon another human being period. We are SUPPOSED to spread our faith by living it and being a living testimony to those around us. And in that we have failed miserably and turned our faith into a mockery as even the scriptures attest to,

Ro 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
Ro 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
Ro 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Ro 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Ro 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
Ro 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.


And even at that, Which Christian belief system would run the show? Catholics? All citizens are required to say the rosary every morning and night? Pentecostal? Only those who have received the gifts of the Holy Spirit need apply? If our government was all religious only, Or the opposite, Only atheists need apply then fanaticism would be the rule of the land. No Bk I am sorry. Separation of church and State with all the people religious or non having an equal voice and opportunity to hold office is the best of systems.

Moe
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None, the 1st Amendment guarantees that.
 
American said:
None, the 1st Amendment guarantees that.
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If we had the government he is suggesting, There would be no first amendment. We would probably still be under Puritanical laws. Or Papal.

That is one of the major reasons people came here from Europe. To escape religious persecution.

LoL Just noticed your sig. Cute.:mrgreen:

Moe
 
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bhkad said:
I'm a Christian but from the Muslim perspective as I see it, Islam is the superior system. It is Allah's system.

In our way of life, government and religion are separate. In Islam they are the same. In fact there is still is no word in any of the Muslim languages for politics.

The word siassah, now used as a synonym for politics, initially meant whipping stray camels into line.( Sa'es al-kheil is a person who brings back lost camels to the caravan. )The closest translation may be: regimentation.

Nor is there mention of such words as government and the state in the Koran.

Amir Taheri: "Islam Is Incompatible With Democracy"
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Their argument might be that if you believe in a Higher Being and He gives you a system for living how can you propose your own system and think it is the better one?
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Is freerepublic and Amir Taheri objective sources to make conclusions about Islam?

http://www.debatepolitics.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=1057876936
 
Before discussing this issue further, let us agree on one point; this man changed his faith. who cares, this does not mean anything.
 
Ancient Jerusalem said:
Before discussing this issue further, let us agree on one point; this man changed his faith. who cares, this does not mean anything.
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Sorry but you are mistaken, according to Islamic text he is an apostate and he must be killed. Once again here are the words of the Prophet Mohammad.

"The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him." ~ Bukahri V4B52N260
 
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