Lachean

Pot meet kettle, I don't see how this justifies equating no belief with belief in all. What the heck are the "windmills of belief."

Yes I do, mainly from the educated Aristocrats, who feigned belief and used religion to control the masses. Some took it as metaphorical greek wisdom, most did not however.



I am open to all evidence, however in this case its unnecessary because I know this to be true for SOME greeks. Socrates would be a great example of this.

No, because you only proved that the idea exists, not that the god exists; else everything that has ever existed in someone's mind "exists." Thats a ****ty standard for existence because it means that it makes everything that doesn't exist, existant.

I didn't just say so, I explain it very clearly. Lets try again, you are aware that there are gods you haven't been exposed to, so you cannot believe in them. Does your lack of belief constitute an active belief that said god, which you've never heard of, does NOT exist?

What do I believe about what? I believe that I exist in a rational universe that I can and do understand.

I am, I was explaining how the term atheist is not of no consequence because it is how people in discussion will inevitably label me, and the label carries certain baggage like the association between atheism and communism that MANY people have.

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Reverend_Hellh0und

Don quixote reference. You are so determined to push forth the notion that athiesm is not a belief you suspend rational discourse.


More than that. Literalism really wasn't prevalent until later christianity by some experts.



Parable, a story with a lesson often found in the canons of religious texts.



And how do you know the rest were literalists?


what evidence do you have?


It does. Everything and nothing exists.


Do you believe in other dimenstions?


I think you are confusing yourself. If there is a god that does not exist but exists in the minds of people does that god not exist?

Lets try it another way. are there things we haven't discovered yet? Do they exist?



Do you believe as you claimed "Strong athiests" do, that there is no god?


you say you are not one so sofar your beliefs are rather ambiguous in the nature of this discussion.



hmm communists are usually athiests but athiests are not neccessarilly communists.

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Lightdemon

I have a severe distaste for Scientology.

For explanation seek South Park's Scientology episode titled: Trapped in the Closet.

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Intransigent Atheist

Ah! I completely forgot about Scientology, I do have a severe distaste for that money grubbing cult. It's not a religion, it's a scam, and a dangerous one at that.

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Intransigent Atheist

I think we may see the term 'belief' differently. I see a belief as something that you think is true without being susceptible to proof. In this case I don't believe in the Big Bang in that regard. I studied this while a student in college when I was pursuing my bachelors in physics. I find that there is good evidence of a big bang or sudden expansion of the universe but I don't view that to be the same as belief in an idea or concept that has no evidence.

talloulou

I have a severe distaste for being told how to think and a severe distrust of those claiming to have superior links to a supreme being. If I myself have no such link why would I care if any supreme being existed at all? I'm also wary of any notion that suggests that there is a greater power that I must submit to. Even if I had absolute proof of such a greater being/power I'd be wary of believing that being to be benign or good for me. More than likely I'd view it as an antagonist.

Lachean

Quite right, if a celestial tyranny such as the God of Abraham were proven to exist, I would fight it with every fiber of my being in this life and the next.

rivrrat

Christians annoy me the most. Mainly because they're the most prevalent in this country.

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MrFungus420

Then why does the poll ask about the adherents of the religions?

Christians are the people, Christianity is the religion.
Jews are the people, Judaism is the religion.

Etc.

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independent_thinker2002

If atheism is a religion I want my tax exempt status and faith based initiative money, NOW!!!

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