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Old 07-05-08, 02:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Schoolboys disciplined for 'refusing to pray to Allah'

Thats right, students in the dhimmi country of Britain are being punished for refusing to pray to Allah. It is apparent that the parents of these students are not at all happy with the situation.

This is just one rouge teacher I suppose. Just one teacher amongst many people who are attempting to change British society in the name of multiculturalism and tolerance. Tolerance of all things muslim. Islam will be respected and in due time only Islam will be respected. All non believers will pay the jizya tax and live as second class citizens.

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Thats right, students in the dhimmi country of Britain are being punished for refusing to pray to Allah. It is apparent that the parents of these students are not at all happy with the situation.

This is just one rouge teacher I suppose. Just one teacher amongst many people who are attempting to change British society in the name of multiculturalism and tolerance. Tolerance of all things muslim. Islam will be respected and in due time only Islam will be respected. All non believers will pay the jizya tax and live as second class citizens.

Schoolboys disciplined for 'refusing to pray to Allah' - Telegraph
I think what we have here is a teacher with a bad lesson plan. I find it hard to believe a teacher with the name Allison Phillips was screaming Allah Akbhar at the students and forcing them to actually "pray" to Allah. It was a demonstration gone bad and nothing more. The students probably got detention for insuboordination, not failure to convert or anything.

Still, it was insensitive on her part but I think a reprimand would suffice.
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I agree it is this stupidity of multiculturalism there is an anger developing against muslims in the UK we should always point to the fact most muslims arent fanatics if the mainstream media will not confront the problem there will be a backlash and the victims will be those who dont deserve it.It seems like the bleeding heart liberal types are being duped into protecting the extremist minority of muslims at the expense of the majority.

Im fed up of being lectured and accused of being bigoted from people who treat muslims as homologous blocks in the name of multiculturalism.
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I think what we have here is a teacher with a bad lesson plan. I find it hard to believe a teacher with the name Allison Phillips was screaming Allah Akbhar at the students and forcing them to actually "pray" to Allah. It was a demonstration gone bad and nothing more. The students probably got detention for insuboordination, not failure to convert or anything.

Still, it was insensitive on her part but I think a reprimand would suffice.


I didnt read the article but if its what it appears, then the student should not be punished for refusing to pray to any god.
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I didnt read the article but if its what it appears, then the student should not be punished for refusing to pray to any god.
I agree completely. And that's why I say a reprimand is in order for the teacher. Something in her file that won't go away for a while but she shouldn't be fired or anything.

I'm thinking, in this teacher's mind, it was probably not "praying". She could be an atheist and have no concept of what "prayer" actually is to those of faith. To her, it was a demonstration but to the kid, it was totally against his conscience and the teacher took it as insuboordination. That's why I say, she was remarkably insensitive but I don't think she was part of some insidious Muslim plot to force these kids to submit to Allah like the OP portrayed it.
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I agree completely. And that's why I say a reprimand is in order for the teacher. Something in her file that won't go away for a while but she shouldn't be fired or anything.
I dunno, I think teachers should be held up to the highest standards. Though in reality you are probably right. I don't think it should make it to three strikes here though.


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I'm thinking, in this teacher's mind, it was probably not "praying". She could be an atheist and have no concept of what "prayer" actually is to those of faith. To her, it was a demonstration but to the kid, it was totally against his conscience and the teacher took it as insuboordination. That's why I say, she was remarkably insensitive but I don't think she was part of some insidious Muslim plot to force these kids to submit to Allah like the OP portrayed it.

Not only was it insesitive to the student, but also to Islam, also to the concepts of liberty. The teacher obviously has a lacking of "clue".


I know damn sure I would have gotten in trouble under this proposition .
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The Brits didn't know what problems they were inviting into their country.

Now they know.

But it's too late for them to 'put the toothpaste back into the tube,' so to speak.
The situation in the world today borders on the fantastic. Never before in history has one civilization allowed large numbers of those who come from an alien, and immutably hostile situation, to settle deep within that first civilization’s borders.

Never before have the members of one civilization failed to investigate, and even willfully refused to investigate, or to listen to those who warn about, the consequences for all non-Muslims of the belief-system of Islam.

In history, the phenomenon of the Barbarians at the Gates is hardly new. Those barbarians lay siege; if they win, they enter in triumph. Should they lose, the advanced civilization survives.

But never before have the gates been opened, to an entering force that has not even been identified or understood.

Never before have the inhabitants of the by-now vulnerable city made efforts not to recognize, or realize, what they have done, and what they have undone. That demographic intrusion shows no signs of diminishing. The systematic building of mosques and madrasas, paid for by Saudi Arabia, everywhere in the Western world, helps to make the conduct of Muslim life easier.

Western populations have been trained to make much of “celebrating diversity” and “promoting difference” and constructing, on a base of militant but unexamined pluralism, an edifice of legal rights and entitlements.

These rights, these entitlements, this militant pluralism are exploited by Muslims who do not believe in pluralism. Nor do they accept the individual rights of conscience and free speech, the legal equality of men and women, and of religious and racial minorities, recognized, for example, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Their current claim to support pluralism is based on the need to protect, and increase the power of, the Muslim umma, or Community, within the West, until such time as that umma no longer needs to pretend to have any interest in Western pluralism and Western values.
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I know damn sure I would have gotten in trouble under this proposition .
Oh I would have, too. And I imagine if there were any "devoutly" atheist students, they would have gotten in trouble, too. It was an affront to one's right to believe and practice how they see fit and it was a blatant disregard to the rights of parents to guide their children's spirituality. The unfortunate thing is, this teacher probably saw it as no more sincere than if they were doing it in the context of a character in a play. Boy was she wrong about that one...you put it well; she had no clue.
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The Brits didn't know what problems they were inviting into their country.

Now they know.

But it's too late for them to 'put the toothpaste back into the tube,' so to speak.
The situation in the world today borders on the fantastic. Never before in history has one civilization allowed large numbers of those who come from an alien, and immutably hostile situation, to settle deep within that first civilization’s borders.

Never before have the members of one civilization failed to investigate, and even willfully refused to investigate, or to listen to those who warn about, the consequences for all non-Muslims of the belief-system of Islam.

In history, the phenomenon of the Barbarians at the Gates is hardly new. Those barbarians lay siege; if they win, they enter in triumph. Should they lose, the advanced civilization survives.

But never before have the gates been opened, to an entering force that has not even been identified or understood.

Never before have the inhabitants of the by-now vulnerable city made efforts not to recognize, or realize, what they have done, and what they have undone. That demographic intrusion shows no signs of diminishing. The systematic building of mosques and madrasas, paid for by Saudi Arabia, everywhere in the Western world, helps to make the conduct of Muslim life easier.

Western populations have been trained to make much of “celebrating diversity” and “promoting difference” and constructing, on a base of militant but unexamined pluralism, an edifice of legal rights and entitlements.

These rights, these entitlements, this militant pluralism are exploited by Muslims who do not believe in pluralism. Nor do they accept the individual rights of conscience and free speech, the legal equality of men and women, and of religious and racial minorities, recognized, for example, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Their current claim to support pluralism is based on the need to protect, and increase the power of, the Muslim umma, or Community, within the West, until such time as that umma no longer needs to pretend to have any interest in Western pluralism and Western values.
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I agree somewhat but it feels like we are heading to a backlash i think the biggest factor stopping another terrorist attack in the UK is that it will shift the mood completely.People in the public eye are dropping out of the consensus Martin Amis is a good example he has been made to be potrayed as a Islamophobe.When muslims speak out against islamists they are potrayed as self loathing.I dont know if you have seen the documentary undercover mosque but the controversy surrounding it is a good example of the more legal aspect to this they tryed so hard to get it stopped but they just couldnt because it simply wasnt intellectually dishonest, and this is under british law which is much stricter on these things.
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All non believers will pay the jizya tax and live as second class citizens.
Can you show a Muslim country today that still has the Jizya tax? Iran? Pakistan? Saudi Arabia?
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