Our Fantastic Situation

bhkad · 06-26-08, 04:24 PM

Our Fantastic Situation

It's been a while since I've posted and it may be awhile before I post again. But I have thought of you all warmly several times since my last visit and I just wanted to share with you an outstanding statement which summarizes the essence of the situation we face.

Please consider every word. And then, if you feel it is worthwhile, please think about it and talk about it.

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The situation in the world today borders on the fantastic.

Never before in history has one civilization allowed large numbers of those who come from an alien, and immutably hostile situation, to settle deep within that first civilization’s borders.

Never before have the members of one civilization failed to investigate, and even willfully refused to investigate, or to listen to those who warn about, the consequences for all non-Muslims of the belief-system of Islam.

In history, the phenomenon of the Barbarians at the Gates is hardly new. Those barbarians lay siege; if they win, they enter in triumph. Should they lose, the advanced civilization survives.

But never before have the gates been opened, to an entering force that has not even been identified or understood. Never before have the inhabitants of the by-now vulnerable city made efforts not to recognize, or realize, what they have done, and what they have undone.

That demographic intrusion shows no signs of diminishing.

The systematic building of mosques and madrasas, paid for by Saudi Arabia, everywhere in the Western world, helps to make the conduct of Muslim life easier. Western populations have been trained to make much of “celebrating diversity” and “promoting difference” and constructing, on a base of militant but unexamined pluralism, an edifice of legal rights and entitlements.

These rights, these entitlements, this militant pluralism are exploited by Muslims who do not believe in pluralism.

Nor do they accept the individual rights of conscience and free speech, the legal equality of men and women, and of religious and racial minorities, recognized, for example, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Their current claim to support pluralism is based on the need to protect, and increase the power of, the Muslim umma, or Community, within the West, until such time as that umma no longer needs to pretend to have any interest in Western pluralism and Western values.

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Mach · 06-26-08, 04:44 PM

To me it reads as pretty absurd all around.

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These rights, these entitlements, this militant pluralism are exploited by Muslims who do not believe in pluralism

This is the big gripe? Humans exploit laws all day long in the U.S., be they muslim, jewish, french, canadian, atheist, christian, buddhist, or otherwise. What nonsnese.

By the founding principles of the nation we judge based on individual action, we are free to believe whatever.

If by some chance more muslims actually exploited entitltements (that neither you nor the author evidence), the statistic is interesting ,but hardly relevant. Do you judge based on beliefs, or on actions. CHOOSE bhkad. You want to judge based on beliefs, which is not just anti-free-speech, that's anti-free-thinking. I cannot think of a scarier, and more dangerous concept in this entire discussion, than what the author implies in this regards. Dangerous indeed. Why not just tax african americans more since more of them are locked up in jails?

It reads to me like the rantings of a fearful, ignorant racist.

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Nor do they accept the individual rights of conscience and free speech, the legal equality of men and women, and of religious and racial minorities, recognized, for example, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Really. Every single muslim, by nature of being muslim, don't accept them. Oh please, that's just prejudiced horse ****, sorry, that's all it is.

The author again wants to promote discirmination against beliefs, not even that, on religious affiliation (not even beliefs!) ...or skin color, we can't even tell. No, we base it on actions. If you break a law, you break it. If you don't, you don't. If you think about it, you're free to do so.

I'm surprised the U.S. exists with so many evil people like this author flapping their jaws or jamming away at their keyboards in a fear-driven panic of predjudiceness.

Hell, why don't we just nuke the entire middle-east and ease the mind of cowards like the author?

-Mach

shuamort · 06-26-08, 04:57 PM

It's funny, I just spent a couple weeks in a middle-eastern country and didn't experience these issues. (Religions:Muslim (mostly Sunni) 90%, Coptic 9%, other Christian 1% ).

Yes, it's not a typical Muslim country...but 90%, that's quite a bit.

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These rights, these entitlements, this militant pluralism are exploited by Muslims who do not believe in pluralism.

Nor do they accept the individual rights of conscience and free speech, the legal equality of men and women, and of religious and racial minorities, recognized, for example, in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Yeah, really didn't see that there. And we got off of the beaten path too. Sure, we saw the Pyramids (even went into one of 'em) and Abu Simbel, we floated down the Nile on a cruise boat too. But we also visited with a local family and joined in a funeral procession down the streets of Luxor, wandered deep into the back alleys of Aswan, and lunched with the locals on the outskirts of Cairo.

We met a lot of muslims and never saw a problem. My partner is Jewish and we talked with folks there about the relationship with Egypt and Israel openly. Our 15 year old daughter, who insists on dressing provocatively only got one catcall during our stint.

But the OP is claiming that ALL muslims are how he says. Weird.

Iriemon · 06-26-08, 06:31 PM

I actually clicked on this threat with the hope that it might be something from bhkad other than a rant about how the evil muslims are taking over the world.

I'm just naturally over-optimistic, I guess.

Voidwar · 06-27-08, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mach

It reads to me like the rantings of a fearful, ignorant racist.

Islam is a creed, not a race.