How are muslims changing Britain? - Page 3

Voidwar · 06-10-08, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat

The Muslims aren't doing it. The British are doing it to themselves. Stupid ****ers.

Factually incorrect.

GySgt · 06-10-08, 12:45 PM

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It is symptomatic of Britain's identity crisis.

Up until recently what bound England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in a Union, was in part a strong belief in the righteousness of the Protestant faith, and the need to united together to defeat Popery. I know this because I was born in the West of Scotland, Glasgow, were many Scots are strong Unionists.... Anyway for much of British history there was a shared belief amongst its people of King, Country and Faith.

But things have started to fall apart.

After WWII, Britain started to change, people become less religious, people saw themselves less as Britons, and more as Englishmen, Scots, Welshmen, etc. The collective identify was starting to break down.

Now if you add this cultural identity breakdown, with the cultural relativism of multiculturalism supported by the left, and the BBC's constant re-enforcing of the this message, what you get is nothing more than blatant accommodation of Islamists. Why? In Britain there is nothing left to stand for.....

Most Britons do not relate to the Royal Family, do not trust the politicians, look down on America, and have had all their self-worth sapped out of them by the welfare state. The people are left with politicians that reflect their apathy.

Britain will only start fighting for itself, when the apathetic left are shown up as the cultural nihilists that they are. Britain will only start fighting for itself, when the Left drops the ideology of multiculturalism, and actually enforces secularism, which is something the left used to stand for. Ironically the torch of secularism, (in many Western nations) has been passed over from the left, to center-right or moderate parties....

Why? Secular conservatives or moderates that believe in integration as opposed to multiculturalism, actually value, liberalism, freedom of speech, pluralistic thought, enlightenment, women's liberation, sexual liberation, freedom FROM religion etc because many conservatives are not hindered by Marxist-Leninist guilt trips associated with 'cultural imperialism', 'capitalist patriarchy', etc. Secular moderates and secular conservatives are not bound by cultural relativism. They can see that Western values are worth fighting for and something that all mankind should have access to, and that ultimately these values of philosophical Enlightenment are probably a lot better at fostering the integration of immigrants, and the neutering of religious fanaticism.

Britain needs to understand the history of the Republic of Turkey, and read the ideas and ideology of Kamalism, and understand the importance of secularism to the Turkish Republic. Only then will Britain understand the importance of fighting the Islamists, and only then will they understand the reasons not to give an inch to irrationality, bigotry and religious conservatism.

Well stated. This is far more than a UK problem. This is a European problem. One that is unique to them. Unlike the U.S., they were not built in immigration. On the contrary, they were preserved by perfecting ethnic cleansing throughout history. Even up until the 1990s, we witnessed the genocides and ethnic cleansings between people in Europe. They have come to a point in history where it is no longer the suitable answer.

When denial stops working, what will they do?

SgtRock · 06-10-08, 12:45 PM

Malaysian president Abdullah Badawi calls for British Muslims to live under sharia law

Yes, of course, it's all up to the British. You will notice that Badawi says nothing about Muslims having any responsibility to adapt to British culture. You will notice that Muslim leaders never say that about Muslims in the West.

Malaysian president Abdullah Badawi calls for British Muslims to live under sharia law - Telegraph

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A report, commissioned by the Church and published today, accuses ministers of paying only "lip service" to Christianity and marginalising the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches, while focusing "intently" on Islam.

Why is it that natives of any given western country are expected to change there laws to accommodate immigrants. Why must we have prayer rooms with foot baths at public schools and airports. Example: Berkner high school in Richardson Texas allows muslim students prayer time away from class while other students are in class. They even allowed an Imam from a local mosque to adminiseter prayer on school property. They installed foot baths in said public school. When christain students asked for prayer time it was denied. Its bull shiite. Why the special treatment in public schools?

Infinite Chaos · 06-10-08, 05:00 PM

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When denial stops working, what will they do?

Remain a tolerant and civilised society embracing difference and being stronger for it.

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Originally Posted by SgtRock

Malaysian president Abdullah Badawi calls for British Muslims to live under sharia law

Yes, of course, it's all up to the British. You will notice that Badawi says nothing about Muslims having any responsibility to adapt to British culture. You will notice that Muslim leaders never say that about Muslims in the West.

Malaysian president Abdullah Badawi calls for British Muslims to live under sharia law - Telegraph

From your own source...

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"They should abide by the law of the land, but they should also be able to follow their religious observances and beliefs, to express their duty to God.."

The Malaysian Prime Minister acknowledged that Muslims must also play their part in proving their value as immigrants.

"If they want to be respected then they must do something for the community," he said.

"They must not be a liability. They have to be an asset."

It's all fuel to the fire of discussing social problems. I'd rather it was done openly and with respect to the dominant culture of the land and I believe that could be encompassed within the requirement that Muslims engage and play a positive role in their new communities. If they ostracise themselves they simply keep the current problems "on the burner."

GySgt · 06-10-08, 05:05 PM

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Remain a tolerant and civilised society embracing difference and being stronger for it.

Europe's history is not one of tolerance and civilized behavior in times of trouble. They don't have a good track record. Is there some reason people think that centuries of ethnic cleansings and perfecting society across Europe is no longer summering under the surface? Since Nazi Germany, Europe hasn't had to face their next step. When it comes down to it, the EU will be faced with decisions that will anger a distinct element and this element contains those who plan terrorist attacks. And when it comes down to the social welfare of its citizenry, what will the individual members of the EU do when faced with EU demands?

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From your own source...

I didn't offer a source.

Infinite Chaos · 06-10-08, 05:38 PM

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And when it comes down to the social welfare of its citizenry, what will the individual members of the EU do when faced with EU demands?

Uphold the current laws of the land or laws of the EU obviously. Currently muslim population of Europe is approx 2% and less in diffferent parts of the EU. For them to become the majority that could change the laws through the ballot box would take unprecedented breeding. I've read dhimmi watch websites, read anti muslim propaganda and even read people calling London "Londonistan"

I'm not scared and I don't go to bed worrying the muslims are coming to get me either.

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I didn't offer a source.

If you check back, that bit is linked to Sgt Rock - I took pains to maintain the links to his post number too.

bhkad · 06-10-08, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat

The Muslims aren't doing it. The British are doing it to themselves. Stupid ****ers.

That reminds me of what the snake told the silly woman who took him in from the cold to keep him from dying. She was clutching him to her breast and kissing him and treating him as well as any snake could hope to be treated and yet he bit her and as she was dying she asked him why he would treat her that way.

The song lyric tells the rest of the story.

"Oh, shut up silly woman," said that reptile with a grin, "you knew darn well that I was snake before you brought me in."

Al Wilson - The Snake LYRICS

GySgt · 06-10-08, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos

Uphold the current laws of the land or laws of the EU obviously.

Is it that obvious? I don't know.

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Currently muslim population of Europe is approx 2% and less in diffferent parts of the EU. For them to become the majority that could change the laws through the ballot box would take unprecedented breeding.

They don't need to become the majority. How much havoc did Muslim youth cause during their riots in France? Of course, this was mostly about immigration and joblessness, but their were radicals trying to take advantage of the situation. And what of the continual terrorist hideouts across Europe that are constantly being sniffed out? Most of the terror upon the West is planned right inside the European continent.

But when the situations become worse as the immigration exponentially grows, what will be the reaction of the politicians who have to address what is very much being appeased today?

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I'm not scared and I don't go to bed worrying the muslims are coming to get me either.

I don't think they are coming to get you. They are, however, exporting their culture and bringing it with them. It's not about you. It's about them. Muslims do not assimilate very well at all. In fact, a leading Muslim scholar has stated that Islam and democracy are incompatable. For those who are determined to remain faithful, yet wish to leave the Middle East for Europe, what does this eventually mean?

bhkad · 06-10-08, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos

Uphold the current laws of the land or laws of the EU obviously. Currently muslim population of Europe is approx 2% and less in diffferent parts of the EU. For them to become the majority that could change the laws through the ballot box would take unprecedented breeding. I've read dhimmi watch websites, read anti muslim propaganda and even read people calling London "Londonistan"

So, at what point would you become concerned? After a generation, where through maternity and immigration, Muslims make up 10 - 20% or more in some locations in Europe?

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At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

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rivrrat · 06-10-08, 08:26 PM

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Factually incorrect.

Really? So the British don't affect their own laws?