What Is The Christian Message? - Page 2

justone · 06-02-08, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lachean

The message of Christianity:

A 2000 year old zombie, who cares if you believe in him, will spare you an eternity of suffering if you eat his flesh and drink his blood. If you do not believe this, or adhere to a bronze age morality, you are the damned.

The moral precepts, such as the "golden rule" all predate the scriptures, and the book itself is obsolete when it comes to ethics, politics, economics, history or reality.

The message of Catholicism: If it feels good, stop! (thats for you Felicity

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The message of Christians: Well it used to be "convert or die you evil heathen" but these days they're a bit less fire and brimstone, and in some cases (niftydrifty) its a bit more nuanced and spiritual.

The message of Christianity as it is capsulated here may not be quite clear and it may require some additional information and comments and some thoughts and considerations.

On other hand the message of atheism expressed above is absolutely clear and defined and does not require any additional comments. One only needs some minimal intellectual honesty and some minimal human decency in order to see and understand the message fully and completely.

Thus the choice between the 2 is just the matter of having some minimal human decency and intellectual honesty.

As it has always been.

dragonslayer · 06-02-08, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rev.

I've seen a lot of sentiment, especially from critics, of what Christianity teaches or what it should be teaching.

So what is the Christian Message? Is it the same as Jesus' message? How well do Christians live up to it?

I am a practicing Christian, but too often, especially on the Tube, being saved and forgiven is coming down to Send me your money.

justone · 06-02-08, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rev.

I accept your challenge.

My word is...Follow

I truly appreciate accepting the challenge, in difference from the dranslayer who is big on whining and complaining and very weak for any real life challenge.

As the matter of the condition of the challenge I cannot agree or disagree with your word.

I may only try to define the challenge a little bit more accurate. Would you reconsider your word, if you knew that my friend MrFungus was paying attention, and he was somewhere in the audience, and if I asked you to be friendly to my friend? I also was asking about not only the message of Jesus, but a kind of NT and Christianity as a whole... a kind of...

No, it would be unfair and rude on my side, ---you don’t have to reconsider, -- but since you are the first who has accepted the challenge – I feel like giving you the priviledge to say 2 words instead of only one.

What would be your 2nd word?

Felicity · 06-02-08, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by justone

You have only one word to express teachings of Christ and NT and Christianity.
You have 15 minutes after reading this challenge.

You have only 2 choices to post:

1. Your word____________

2. WTF?

Run or make a pick.

MY WORD IS:

And I don’t mind if yours is the same, just post it,

How would we do – should I go first, - or you would give it a shot first?

Jesus.

He is "the" Word.

justone · 06-02-08, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonslayer

I am a practicing Christian, but too often, especially on the Tube, being saved and forgiven is coming down to Send me your money.

A Christian practicing Christianity on the Tube? Have you ever tryed to practice it in a Church? You may be surprised to learn a quite different message..Try it..

justone · 06-02-08, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

Jesus.

He is "the" Word.

Catholics are so technical and smart. You have just nailed me. No joke about it, even if I am still smiling. I am smiling happily.

I truly appreciate accepting the challenge, in difference from the dranslayer who is big on whining and complaining and very weak for any real life challenge.

As the matter of the condition of the challenge I cannot agree or disagree with your word.

I may only try to define the challenge a little bit more accurate. Would you reconsider your word, if you knew that my friend MrFungus was paying attention, and he was somewhere in the audience and if I asked you to be friendly to my friend?

No, it would be unfair and rude on my side, ---you don’t have to reconsider, -- but since you are the second who has accepted the challenge – I feel like giving you 2 words.

What would be your 2nd word?

Lachean · 06-02-08, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rev.

So then the message of Jesus is different than the message of Christians? What would that be?

As Ghandi put it, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Ethereal · 06-02-08, 12:00 PM

The message put forth by Christianity is largely comparable to the other monotheistic religions - if an old dead guy wrote something down then it's true, and if you don't believe in it your afterlife will be unpleasant whereas their's will rock.

Southern Belle · 06-02-08, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev.

I've seen a lot of sentiment, especially from critics, of what Christianity teaches or what it should be teaching.

So what is the Christian Message? Is it the same as Jesus' message? How well do Christians live up to it?

God created the world and human being he wanted to love him and be his friends. They would rather sin and turn away from Him, so he had to be really strict for awhile and then he gave them another chance by becoming human and taking their punishment for them. Now he doesn't have to be physically strict anymore but he's with those who accept Him and his Gift of Salvation, and who desire to be with Him, and love others. He lets those that don't, make their choice, but he does warn that he will return to reclaim the Earth for all his Children.

I've got a whole intire set of Bible CDs that I've been listening to, but I'm only in the middle of Exodus right now. ^ is how I've always understood the message, growing up in church.

Ethereal · 06-02-08, 12:06 PM

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God created the world and human being he wanted to love him and be his friends. They would rather sin and turn away from Him, so he had to be really strict for awhile and then he gave them another chance by becoming human and taking their punishment for them. Now he doesn't have to be physically strict anymore but he's with those who accept Him and his Gift of Salvation, and who desire to be with Him. He lets those that don't, make their choice, but he does warn that he will return to reclaim the Earth for all his Children.

I forget who told this story - was it Lambchop or Wishbone?