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Old 12-27-07, 09:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 12-27-07, 09:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Is there a god?

Not in anykind of human understanding of a some kind of theist god.

Maybe you could see the sun as god we are totally dependent on it to live we cannot live without it yet we cant really influences what it does.
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Old 12-27-07, 09:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Oh dear, someone left the worm can open again.
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Re: Is there a god?

As in a Creator deity bearing the three mutually exlusive properties of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence? Not so much.

As in great, powerful spirits that are occasionally worthy of human worship? Certainly.
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Old 12-27-07, 11:06 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Not in anykind of human understanding of a some kind of theist god.

Maybe you could see the sun as god we are totally dependent on it to live we cannot live without it yet we cant really influences what it does.
Actually all seven elements of pagan "worship" are totally necessary for human survival on this planet.

The Sun
The moon for weather and tide movement
Earth, wind, water, and fire.
And lastly the self without whom the other six would be entirely unnoticed and unnecessary.

All are perfectly tangible and their forces at work in our lives is undeniable.

Science supports pagan religious beliefs more so than any of the judeo-xtian beliefs.
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Re: Is there a god?

The real question here is obviously "Do you personally believe there is a god?", because otherwise the question is both ultimately unanswerable and very likely to lead to a flamewar.

So, do I believe there is a god? No, I don't.
I don't believe because my mind is pretty scientific. If I'm going to believe anything, I need hard evidence, or at least evidence that points reasonably well to one conclusion. Part of that, though, is the willingness to change. If creationism were to suddenly become the "logical" choice, I would do my research and switch over if it made sense (which it doesn't).

Belief in a god ultimately depends on "faith", which is ultimately a religious buzzword for "just believe it". Since religion is never truly grounded in what can be logically approached and proven, I can't believe it. Thusly, I feel the same way about, for example, unicorns as I do about a god.

Now I don't mean to insult anyone's belief in their god(s). But you have to understand that to an atheist, being told to believe in God is like being told to believe in the Easter bunny. Both are just too... unreasonable.
I honestly don't understand what separates "faith" and "opinion" in such a way that one can be allowed in a workplace and the other can't.

But yeah, that's pretty much what I believe in a nutshell.
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I don't believe in god. I do believe in swordfish, however.
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I own a Flying Spaghetti Monster tee shirt.
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I own a Flying Spaghetti Monster tee shirt.
I have an invisble flying elephant in my back yard.
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I have an invisble flying elephant in my back yard.
YOU FOUND HIM! Please tell him to come home.
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