Imposing Morality

Alex · 08-30-07, 09:46 PM

I was watching a show about moral relativism on the local Christian network and a man discussed something that sparked my interest. He said that when people say, "It is wrong to impose your morality on others", that statement imposes a morality on people like him, who believe there is an objective morality given by a god and it must be imposed on all people. He claims that the statement itself is contradicting itself.

Your thoughts?

(I looked for a video on YouTube, but could not find it.)

1069 · 08-30-07, 10:43 PM

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He said that when people say, "It is wrong to impose your morality on others", that statement imposes a morality on people like him, who believe there is an objective morality given by a god and it must be imposed on all people. He claims that the statement itself is contradicting itself.

Well, that's not exactly a new concept.
Conservatives on this very forum say it all the time.
It's probably something they teach them to say at church.

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Your thoughts?

Well, it's stupid.
"You're oppressing me by infringing upon my right to oppress others. Wah! You're infringing upon my rights by preventing me from infringing upon others' rights. Wah! Wah!"

I only wish these fools would pull their heads out of their butts and start acting like humans for a change, instead of acting like spotted-arse apes.

jfuh · 08-31-07, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I was watching a show about moral relativism on the local Christian network and a man discussed something that sparked my interest. He said that when people say, "It is wrong to impose your morality on others", that statement imposes a morality on people like him, who believe there is an objective morality given by a god and it must be imposed on all people. He claims that the statement itself is contradicting itself.

Your thoughts?

(I looked for a video on YouTube, but could not find it.)

It's not my moral to not impose my morals on others. It's simple respect of the rights of others to live the way they want.
The guy that said these as well as the other "conservatives" that scream such nonsense all the time need to get their collective heads out of their single arse.

RightinNYC · 08-31-07, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 1069

Well, that's not exactly a new concept.
Conservatives on this very forum say it all the time.
It's probably something they teach them to say at church.

Well, it's stupid.
"You're oppressing me by infringing upon my right to oppress others. Wah! You're infringing upon my rights by preventing me from infringing upon others' rights. Wah! Wah!"

I only wish these fools would pull their heads out of their butts and start acting like humans for a change, instead of acting like spotted-arse apes.

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Originally Posted by jfuh

It's not my moral to not impose my morals on others. It's simple respect of the rights of others to live the way they want.
The guy that said these as well as the other "conservatives" that scream such nonsense all the time need to get their collective heads out of their single arse.

If Person A wants to enslave and torture Person B, who are you to impose your morals on them?

Jerry · 08-31-07, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I was watching a show about moral relativism on the local Christian network and a man discussed something that sparked my interest. He said that when people say, "It is wrong to impose your morality on others", that statement imposes a morality on people like him, who believe there is an objective morality given by a god and it must be imposed on all people. He claims that the statement itself is contradicting itself.

Your thoughts?

(I looked for a video on YouTube, but could not find it.)

That has been my principal argument against moral relativism for 2 years.

For you to say that I shouldn't impose my morality on you is for you to impose that morality of yours onto me, which by your own logic you have no right to do.

Jerry · 08-31-07, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 1069

Well, it's stupid.
"You're oppressing me by infringing upon my right to oppress others. Wah! You're infringing upon my rights by preventing me from infringing upon others' rights. Wah! Wah!"

That's the clasic PC argument though.

PL is acused of being in the wrong for imposing on a woman's right to kill her child.

"You're infringing upon my rights by preventing me from infringing upon my child's basic human rights."

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Originally Posted by 1069

I only wish these fools would pull their heads out of their butts and start acting like humans for a change, instead of acting like spotted-arse apes.

Set the example for PC and be the first then.

jfuh · 08-31-07, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

If Person A wants to enslave and torture Person B, who are you to impose your morals on them?

How would my preventing person b from being enslaved and tortured identical from being "imposing"?

RightinNYC · 08-31-07, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jfuh

How would my preventing person b from being enslaved and tortured identical from being "imposing"?

What right do you have to prevent person a from doing something? On what grounds do you have the authority to impose your moral judgments on what should and should not be done on person a?

Thales · 08-31-07, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

What right do you have to prevent person a from doing something? On what grounds do you have the authority to impose your moral judgments on what should and should not be done on person a?

One's personal freedoms end at the nose of another's personal freedoms.

In a way, torturing someone is imposing upon them your own personal sadistic morality.

I prefer to think about these kinds of things like this; People should be allowed to do as they please, as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. Torturing/enslaving someone would certainly fall into the category of infringing another's rights.

chevydriver1123 · 08-31-07, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

I was watching a show about moral relativism on the local Christian network and a man discussed something that sparked my interest. He said that when people say, "It is wrong to impose your morality on others", that statement imposes a morality on people like him, who believe there is an objective morality given by a god and it must be imposed on all people. He claims that the statement itself is contradicting itself.

Your thoughts?

(I looked for a video on YouTube, but could not find it.)

He sounds like a decent guy to me.