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mikhail

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Considering he was part of god why didnt jesus do more good than just healing the odd leper like inventing penicilin or explaining GM crops? seems to me there has been many greater mortals born than jesus.
 
mikhail said:
Considering he was part of god why didnt jesus do more good than just healing the odd leper like inventing penicilin or explaining GM crops? seems to me there has been many greater mortals born than jesus.
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Agreed.


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Setting aside the biggest miracle of all that he started an entire religion. Here are just a few of the miracles he performed.


Jesus Saves: Hope for the Weary - Miracles of Jesus

1.
Jesus attended a wedding and they ran out of wine to drink. After His disciples filled six water pots with water Jesus caused the water to become very tasty wine.
2.
Jesus healed a boy who was about to die.
3.
Jesus healed a man with an unclean spirit.
4.
Jesus healed Simon's mother-in-law from a fever. At the same home He also healed many who were sick of different diseases and cast out many devils.
5.
Jesus healed a man of leprosy.
6.
Jesus healed a paralytic who could not walk.
7.
Jesus healed an impotent man.
8.
Jesus cured many people of infirmities and plagues and of evil spirits.
9.
Jesus healed a man with a withered hand.
10.
Jesus healed multitudes of people.
11.
Jesus healed a servant who was sick and tormented.
12.
Jesus healed a dead man who then sat up and began to speak.
13.
Jesus healed one possessed with a devil, caused the blind to see and the mute to speak.
14.
Jesus rebuked the winds and the sea that covered the boat and the sea became calm.
15.
Jesus cast the devils out of two exceedingly fierce men. These men were naked, wild and could not be held with chains. They were living in the cemetery.
16.
Jesus healed a woman who had been bleeding for 12 years and the doctors could not cure her. She touched His clothing and was healed instantly.
17.
Jesus took a girl who died at the age of 12 and caused her to walk and to eat.
18.
Jesus healed two blind men and a mute man, and every sickness.
19.
Jesus' disciples healed all manner of sickness and disease.
20.
Jesus took two fish and 5 rolls of bread and fed 5000 men plus the women and children and had 12 baskets of food left over.
21.
Jesus walked on the water during a bad storm.
22.
Jesus healed as many as touched Him or touched the border of his clothing.
23.
Jesus healed a girl grievously vexed with a devil.
24.
Jesus caused multitudes of lame to walk, blind to see, mute to talk, and maimed to be made whole.
25.
Jesus healed a deaf man who had a speech impediment, tongue was loosed.
26.
Jesus fed 4,000 men plus women and children with 7 pieces of bread and a few little fish, and 7 baskets full were left over.
27.
Jesus healed a blind man.
28.
Jesus healed lunatic who was foaming at the mouth and gnashing his teeth as he threw himself into the fire.
29.
Jesus healed a man who was blind from his birth.
30.
Jesus heals a woman who had a spirit of infirmity 18 years; she was bowed over and could not stand up.
31.
Jesus healed man of dropsy.
32.
Jesus raised Lazarus who had been dead four days.
33.
Jesus healed 10 men who were lepers.
34.
Jesus healed blind Bartimeus.
35.
Jesus touched and healed the soldier whose right ear had been cut off with a sword.
36.
Jesus was resurrected from the dead after 3 days.
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^^

But surely just coming up with penicilin would be more helpful
 
mikhail said:
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But surely just coming up with penicilin would be more helpful
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You are asking me to tell you why Jesus chose to do some miracle's over others, I can't answer that but I bet the person that was cured of blindness was glad Jesus chose that over penicillin.
 
Norman Borlaug has saved and fed over a billion people, Jesus doesn't have near his stats.
 
Starting an entire religion is not really a miracle. Otherwise the Egyptians, Muhammad and Buddah should be equally miraculous.
Bible superstitions aside as they are up for interpretation or scientific scrutiny the real miracle that Jesus taught that other religions didn't emphasize as much was the care and forgiveness of others.
Buddhism comes in a close second but then it is really more self-enlightenment than to actually go out and do good towards your fellow neighbor.
 
jfuh said:
Starting an entire religion is not really a miracle. Otherwise the Egyptians, Muhammad and Buddah should be equally miraculous.
Bible superstitions aside as they are up for interpretation or scientific scrutiny the real miracle that Jesus taught that other religions didn't emphasize as much was the care and forgiveness of others.
Buddhism comes in a close second but then it is really more self-enlightenment than to actually go out and do good towards your fellow neighbor.
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Well to Muslims Mohammad was miraculous just as Buddha is to Buddhists so why not Jesus.
 
Just Me 2 said:
Well to Muslims Mohammad was miraculous just as Buddha is to Buddhists so why not Jesus.
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I can't speak for muslims, however I do not believe that Mohammad had ever preformed miracles nor was regarded as a supernatural being. As Buddha aka Siddhārtha Gautama performed no miracles.
Jesus different from other religions figures, within christianity, is endowed as being a supernatural being performing supernatural miracles. Such acceptance requires faith, which I do not place in the story tellings of an human written, translated, edited, and interpreted book.
 
Jesus took more torture than any man living today could probably handle and he did it for everyone on earth. Mohammed and Buhda didn't do that, did they?
 
jfuh said:
I can't speak for muslims, however I do not believe that Mohammad had ever preformed miracles nor was regarded as a supernatural being. As Buddha aka Siddhārtha Gautama performed no miracles.
Jesus different from other religions figures, within christianity, is endowed as being a supernatural being performing supernatural miracles. Such acceptance requires faith, which I do not place in the story tellings of an human written, translated, edited, and interpreted book.
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Well faith is the bases for religion without it there is not religion, I don't base my faith on a book (the Bible) I base it on how Jesus has touched my life or should I say how believe he has. I had a time in my life that I was "faithless" and I look at my life then verse now and I have to believe that it is because of Jesus. I know it is very hard for someone that does not have faith to understand.
 
Southern Belle said:
Jesus took more torture than any man living today could probably handle and he did it for everyone on earth. Mohammed and Buhda didn't do that, did they?
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That Jesus did it for everyone is subject to debate. Remember I'm separating what we know as historical fact from the glorification done in the bible.
Many a men were tortured when captured in those days. Jesus' brothers and many of his disciples were all tortured or stoned to death, nailed to a cross and so on. But we do not see that as "did it for everyone".
Buddha I don't believe was tortured, nor do I believe was Mohammed (or was he? help anyone?). But that doesn't take away from their accomplishments in religion and philosophy.
 
Just Me 2 said:
Well faith is the bases for religion without it there is not religion, I don't base my faith on a book (the Bible) I base it on how Jesus has touched my life or should I say how believe he has. I had a time in my life that I was "faithless" and I look at my life then verse now and I have to believe that it is because of Jesus. I know it is very hard for someone that does not have faith to understand.
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Then a question, did it have more to do with the teachings of Jesus and what he stood for philosophically, morally and ethically, or his deity.
 
jfuh said:
Then a question, did it have more to do with the teachings of Jesus and what he stood for philosophically, morally and ethically, or his deity.
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I truly think it was all of the above. I don't think I could believe what I do if I did not believe that he was divine.
 
jfuh said:
That Jesus did it for everyone is subject to debate. Remember I'm separating what we know as historical fact from the glorification done in the bible.
Many a men were tortured when captured in those days. Jesus' brothers and many of his disciples were all tortured or stoned to death, nailed to a cross and so on. But we do not see that as "did it for everyone".
Buddha I don't believe was tortured, nor do I believe was Mohammed (or was he? help anyone?). But that doesn't take away from their accomplishments in religion and philosophy.
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John 3:16 is how we know that if he was crusified like the Bible says that he did it for everyone.
 
jfuh said:
That Jesus did it for everyone is subject to debate. Remember I'm separating what we know as historical fact from the glorification done in the bible.
Many a men were tortured when captured in those days. Jesus' brothers and many of his disciples were all tortured or stoned to death, nailed to a cross and so on. But we do not see that as "did it for everyone".
Buddha I don't believe was tortured, nor do I believe was Mohammed (or was he? help anyone?). But that doesn't take away from their accomplishments in religion and philosophy.
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Buddah isnt a specific person exactly not god like. Its possible to become buddah i believe you will have to look it up.

I think muhammed just died of illness i think
 
I quite like the character of Jesus. He was pretty together, actually. His moral ideas preceded similar ones by hundreds upon hundreds of years. When most of his contemporaries were still making decisions on a black-and-white basis (no work on the Sabbath, for example) he was beyond that. His Sermon on the Mount is probably the greatest part of the Bible. Even if you don't believe in his divinity, he (or his scriptwriter) had very advanced moral beliefs.

But yeah. Off-topic, probably.
 
Just Me 2 said:
I truly think it was all of the above. I don't think I could believe what I do if I did not believe that he was divine.
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why not? If Jesus was not divine would that discredit his philosophies?
 
jfuh said:
why not? If Jesus was not divine would that discredit his philosophies?
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And if so, what does that say, really, about the intrinsic value of said philosophies?

:shrug:
 
Southern Belle said:
John 3:16 is how we know that if he was crusified like the Bible says that he did it for everyone.
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Like I said, the bible can not be used as a validation for the simple reason that it's a highly bias source that was made for a specific purpose, to spread the religion. Hence it would hardly write contrarily to it's intent.
 
jfuh said:
why not? If Jesus was not divine would that discredit his philosophies?
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No but in order for me to believe that he is living in me and he is guiding me I have to believe that he is something more then a mortal man.
 
Southern Belle said:
John 3:16 is how we know that if he was crusified like the Bible says that he did it for everyone.
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Like I said, the bible can not be used as a validation for the simple reason that it's a highly bias source that was made for a specific purpose, to spread the religion. Hence it would hardly write contrarily to it's intent.
 
Gunface said:
I quite like the character of Jesus. He was pretty together, actually. His moral ideas preceded similar ones by hundreds upon hundreds of years. When most of his contemporaries were still making decisions on a black-and-white basis (no work on the Sabbath, for example) he was beyond that. His Sermon on the Mount is probably the greatest part of the Bible. Even if you don't believe in his divinity, he (or his scriptwriter) had very advanced moral beliefs.

But yeah. Off-topic, probably.
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Not at all off topic. That's the biggie here, in that his teachings are his greatest accomplishments.
 
Just Me 2 said:
No but in order for me to believe that he is living in me and he is guiding me I have to believe that he is something more then a mortal man.
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Could we not say then that his teachings are what make him immortal and it is through that which he continues to live upon today?
 
mikhail said:
Buddah isnt a specific person exactly not god like. Its possible to become buddah i believe you will have to look it up.

I think muhammed just died of illness i think
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When I refer to Buddha, I'm strictly speaking of the founder of buddhism Siddhārtha Gautama - but yes, anyone can become buddha, it's an enlightened state.
 
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