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Time to replace the outdated ten commandments ?

flogger said:
Religious extremism like yours is dangerous wherever you find it. I've never said otherwise
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you said you didn't want to kill anybody?? I said what about ISIS. Then you changed the subject??????? IF you run from what you learn how can you ever learn?
 
flogger said:
Ever heard of prisons ?
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as a typical liberal you want to imprison an ISIS soldier after he cuts a living persons head off and displays the head on the victims chest??
 
James972 said:
as a typical liberal you want to imprison an ISIS soldier after he cuts a living persons head off and displays the head on the victims chest??
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Heads up and for the umteenth time I'm not a liberal and what has any of this to do with politics ?
 
flogger said:
Heads up and for the umteenth time I'm not a liberal and what has any of this to do with politics ?
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you said you were superior to religious folk and didn't want to kill anyway. I asked, you don't want to kill ISIS. Then, you tried to change the subject. If you run from the truth you will never know it.
 
flogger said:
I've often heard it said that athiests cannot be trusted to be good because they have no faith and that fewer than half of Americans would vote for any politician who declared himself to be one?

Here is an athiests take on some new rules on how to live a good and moral life in the absence of outdated religious superstition and more in tune with the moral zeitgeist of today

1.Treat your fellow human beings your fellow living things and the world in general with love honesty faithfulness and respect.

2. Always seek to be learning something new.

3. Test all things; always check your ideas against facts and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them

4. Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you

5. Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others

6. Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else) and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business

7. Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, to value evidence and how to disagree with you

8. Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you

9. In all things strive to cause no harm

10. Always question everything

Your thoughts ?
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If you want to replace an "outdated" set of rules which was handed by God, I assume you're not into God?

Why do you need a 10 Commandments at all? Why does your new set consists of 10? Why not less, or more?
 
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flogger said:
I've often heard it said that athiests cannot be trusted to be good because they have no faith and that fewer than half of Americans would vote for any politician who declared himself to be one?

Here is an athiests take on some new rules on how to live a good and moral life in the absence of outdated religious superstition and more in tune with the moral zeitgeist of today

1.Treat your fellow human beings your fellow living things and the world in general with love honesty faithfulness and respect.

2. Always seek to be learning something new.

3. Test all things; always check your ideas against facts and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them

4. Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you

5. Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others

6. Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else) and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business

7. Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, to value evidence and how to disagree with you

8. Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you

9. In all things strive to cause no harm

10. Always question everything

Your thoughts ?
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Childlike. Add an eternity in heaven or hell plus a loving to God to walk besides you through life and death and you might get a few billion converts .
 
James972 said:
Childlike. Add an eternity in heaven or hell plus a loving to God to walk besides you through life and death and you might get a few billion converts .
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Yeah right ! And maybe I'll be joined by Santa and the tooth fairy too :lamo
 
flogger said:
Yeah right ! And maybe I'll be joined by Santa and the tooth fairy too :lamo
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no, you would be joined by billions as Jesus was!!
 
flogger said:
I've often heard it said that athiests cannot be trusted to be good because they have no faith and that fewer than half of Americans would vote for any politician who declared himself to be one?

Here is an athiests take on some new rules on how to live a good and moral life in the absence of outdated religious superstition and more in tune with the moral zeitgeist of today

1.Treat your fellow human beings your fellow living things and the world in general with love honesty faithfulness and respect.

2. Always seek to be learning something new.

3. Test all things; always check your ideas against facts and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them

4. Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you

5. Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others

6. Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else) and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business

7. Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, to value evidence and how to disagree with you

8. Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you

9. In all things strive to cause no harm

10. Always question everything

Your thoughts ?
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You only need one rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Simple and easy.
 
flogger said:
Is that the same Jesus the crusaders massacred for and that the Catholic priests defile todays youth for ? :wink:
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all humans make mistakes it has nothing to do with our subject. Did your mother tell you all Christians were pure with no sinners among them?????
 
James972 said:
all humans make mistakes it has nothing to do with our subject. Did your mother tell you all Christians were pure with no sinners among them?????
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Most people would realise that deliberately massacring a city full of innocent people because they don't share the same imaginary friend and decades of hiding widespread child abuse of the worst kind are a wee bit more than just 'mistakes'
 
tosca1 said:
If you want to replace an "outdated" set of rules which was handed by God, I assume you're not into God?

Why do you need a 10 Commandments at all? Why does your new set consists of 10? Why not less, or more?
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It's the metric system.
 
#1. I support the idea of shunning and the power of socialization to modify the behavior of others for the betterment of all. Should Hitler have gotten love and respect.
#2. Learning something new may be OK but I wish that people would remember Chesterton's Fence. We should learn the old stuff as there is tremendous value in them (although that would be learning something new.)
#3-#7. Sounds good.
#8. This always bothered me. It ignores, IMHO, the problem with the Commons. It is not just a matter of hurting another individual, it is a matter of hurting the commons or public resource. Or to put it another way, my driving a car to my lab to cure cancer with stuff from the yew tree damages the environment, the yew tree, etc. We all damage something but hopefully for a greater good.
#9. More like #1. Sometime it sure seems advantageous to cause harm. Would love to have harmed Pol Pot.
 
flogger said:
Another valid reason to update them in an era of mass contraception. Religion seems awfully hung up on what consenting adults do in their private lives when its nobody elses business :wink:
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...And atheists seem awfully hung up on how freeborn adults worship or believe when it's none of their business. Project much?
 
it's just me said:
...And atheists seem awfully hung up on how freeborn adults worship or believe when it's none of their business. Project much?
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I have nothing to project as I have no supernatural belief system to protect
 
flogger said:
I have nothing to project as I have no supernatural belief system to protect
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Irrelevant, you still have a disturbing preoccupation with other peoples beliefs and practices that otherwise have no effect on you.
 
it's just me said:
Irrelevant, you still have a disturbing preoccupation with other peoples beliefs and practices that otherwise have no effect on you.
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When their beliefs and practices compromise the freedoms and safety of others or attempt to compromise the basic human rights of others to live their private lives as they choose its then I have a problem

Sorry if you find that disturbing :roll:
 
James972 said:
obviously all the commandments are generalities. Sorry to rock your world.
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Then you agree they are vague and, thus, without clear meaning. That's just what I said.

The faithful seem perpetually caught between their desire for a rational god and the realization that they don't have one.
 
James972 said:
conservativism is 2500 years old and very very clear to all who care to read. IF you are confused about something why not ask very directly about it to clear up the confusion?
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I'd say it's much older than that. When the wheel was invented, some jackass undoubtedly thought it was sorcery and called for the inventor's head. There was your first conservative.
 
D_NATURED said:
I'd say it's much older than that. When the wheel was invented, some jackass undoubtedly thought it was sorcery and called for the inventor's head. There was your first conservative.
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and reason at all to think of that as conservatism??????????????

Actually conservatives support capitalism precisely because it produces the most new inventions. Live and learn!!
 
D_NATURED said:
Then you agree they are vague and, thus, without clear meaning. That's just what I said.

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Thou shalt not kill is without clear meaning?????
 
flogger said:
When their beliefs and practices compromise the freedoms and safety of others or attempt to compromise the basic human rights of others to live their private lives as they choose its then I have a problem

Sorry if you find that disturbing :roll:
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That's what we say about atheists. Sorry if you find that disturbing.
 
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