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Trump's Evangelical Firewall Might Be Breaking

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Thank God. The last thing Christianity needed was to sacrifice it's witness in this nation on the altar of loyalty to Trump, or the Trumpian GOP.


Trump's Evangelical Firewall Might Be Breaking

Item one - Andy Crouch, the executive editor of Christianity Today[/url], one of the nation's leading Christian magazines, penned a powerful essay that excoriates Trump in the strongest terms...

Item two - writing at World, another influential Christian journal, Marvin Olasky and the editors have declared that Trump is unfit for power and have asked him to step down...

Item three - Beth Moore[/url], a Christian author and speaker far more prominent and popular than the vast majority of Trump's Evangelical endorsers, has apparently had enough...

Item four - According to Barna Research Group[/url], while Evangelicals still overwhelmingly prefer Trump over Clinton (55 percent to a tiny 2 percent), large numbers are now supporting neither Trump nor Clinton:


"Although Trump has a huge lead over Clinton among evangelicals, the most noteworthy finding in this regard is that more than four out of ten evangelicals currently refuse to vote for either of those two candidates. Nearly three out of ten are presently undecided, making them the largest block of undecided votes still up for grabs. One out of eight evangelicals plan to protest the quality of the major party candidates by voting for a third-party or independent candidate. This behavior by evangelicals is unique over the course of the last nine election cycles."...​
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I have a friend who works at Christianity Today and I happen to live nearby one of their offices. Good to see them speaking out against the Clown.
 
cpwill said:
Thank God. The last thing Christianity needed was to sacrifice it's witness in this nation on the altar of loyalty to Trump, or the Trumpian GOP.
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I'm a Catholic.

Bishops (unless in certain group conferences), Pastors, and Priests, cannot take political positions. But I don't know of any Catholic position or doctrine that agrees with some of the more egregious behaviour we've seen from Trump.
 
cpwill said:
Thank God. The last thing Christianity needed was to sacrifice it's witness in this nation on the altar of loyalty to Trump, or the Trumpian GOP.
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Hey, nobody knows the Bible better than Trump. He told us so.
 
cpwill said:
Thank God. The last thing Christianity needed was to sacrifice it's witness in this nation on the altar of loyalty to Trump, or the Trumpian GOP.
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I wonder what the impact will be. Though this going to hurt Trump, the amount of pain may not be severe.

Twenty, or even ten years ago, these denunciations would have ended his campaign as no Republican candidate could shrug off their collective thumbs down. Likewise, evangelicals closely followed and heeded the proclamations of their leaders. In today's secularized climate, however, church attendance is down across the board and those still sitting in the pews are not has beholden to the leaders as they used to be.
 
Cryptic said:
I wonder what the impact will be. Though this going to hurt Trump, the amount of pain may not be severe.

Twenty, or even ten years ago, these denunciations would have ended his campaign as no Republican candidate could shrug off their collective thumbs down. Likewise, evangelicals closely followed and heeded the proclamations of their leaders. In today's secularized climate, however, church attendance is down across the board and those still sitting in the pews are not has beholden to the leaders as they used to be.
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Well, alot of the confusion comes from those who self-report as "evangelicals", who don't actually go to Church. Cultural Christianity has become a destructive inoculation against the Real Thing.
 
cpwill said:
the Real Thing.
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If only the "real thing" was easy to define and did not deteriorate into:

- I believe Christianity means "C"
- "C" must be real Christianity
- Because if "C" was not real Christianity, I would not believe it.... .
 
Chomsky said:
I'm a Catholic.

Bishops (unless in certain group conferences), Pastors, and Priests, cannot take political positions. But I don't know of any Catholic position or doctrine that agrees with some of the more egregious behaviour we've seen from Trump.
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How about Clinton? Do her positions jibe with Catholic doctrine? ;)
 
A couple of tweets by Beth Moore:

"I'm one among many women sexually abused, misused, stared down, heckled, talked naughty to. Like we liked it. We didn't. We're tired of it."

"Try to absorb how acceptable the disesteem and objectifying of women has been when some Christian leaders don't think it's a big deal...Wake up, Sleepers, to what women have dealt with all along in environments of gross entitlement & power. Are we sickened? Yes. Are we surprised? NO." Evangelical Women Leaders Disgusted by Their Male Counterparts Defending Trump After Sexual Assault Remarks
 
Of ALL the hypocrisy in politics. Of all the groups who support any politician. I can't think of any group who is more hypocritical than Evangelicals who are supporting Trump.

Stop and think of all the finger pointing and righteous indignation the religious right has preached to this country over and over about how important values and family values are to them in all politicians. And then this year they support a man who's a complete opposite of ANY family values.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Of ALL the hypocrisy in politics. Of all the groups who support any politician. I can't think of any group who is more hypocritical than Evangelicals who are supporting Trump.

Stop and think of all the finger pointing and righteous indignation the religious right has preached to this country over and over about how important values and family values are to them in all politicians. And then this year they support a man who's a complete opposite of ANY family values.
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You don't know how many times I tell my mom that. But since Ted Cruz dropped out of the race, her sheer hatred for Hillary Clinton is enough justification to vote for Trump.
 
TheGoverness said:
You don't know how many times I tell my mom that. But since Ted Cruz dropped out of the race, her sheer hatred for Hillary Clinton is enough justification to vote for Trump.
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I'm sure that's driving most of the Evangelicals to support Trump, their hatred of Obama/Clinton.

But I don't care, from now on I don't to hear a peep from those hypocritical phonies.

Trump? A 3 times married owner of casinos and strip clubs? A potty mouthed vile groper and sexual assaulter who doesn't know a Bible from a cookbook? Who almost daily praises his greed, his money and his lavish life style. Any 1 or 2 of those things should be enough for a true 'Christian' to say no to supporting Trump. Add them all up? Like I said, by far the most hypocritical group in all of politics are the Evangelical Christians.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I'm sure that's driving most of the Evangelicals to support Trump, their hatred of Obama/Clinton.

But I don't care, from now on I don't to hear a peep from those hypocritical phonies.

Trump? A 3 times married owner of casinos and strip clubs? A potty mouthed vile groper and sexual assaulter who doesn't know a Bible from a cookbook? Who almost daily praises his greed, his money and his lavish life style. Any 1 or 2 of those things should be enough for a true 'Christian' to say no to supporting Trump. Add them all up? Like I said, by far the most hypocritical group in all of politics are the Evangelical Christians.
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Spot on, those Evangelical leaders who stand by the Don, are putting politics above morality, we will now know who the real Christians are, and those that put there own egos, and self interest before living like they preach.
 
TheGoverness said:
You don't know how many times I tell my mom that. But since Ted Cruz dropped out of the race, her sheer hatred for Hillary Clinton is enough justification to vote for Trump.
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25 years of hating Hillary is hard to break, and clouds there judgement.
 
yankintx said:
Care to start your own thread, this is about TRUMP
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My comment was perfectly relevant to this thread. But thanks anyways.

Care to take a stab at the question?
 
countryboy said:
My comment was perfectly relevant to this thread. But thanks anyways.

Care to take a stab at the question?
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Only if you can manage a logical conversation.
 
yankintx said:
25 years of hating Hillary is hard to break, and clouds there judgement.
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Don't discount all those post-Benghazi and post-email scandal "haters."
 
nota bene said:
Don't discount all those post-Benghazi and post-email scandal "haters."
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Don't discount the Christians that will just forgive him. It is a nasty habit they have,
 
nota bene said:
Don't discount all those post-Benghazi and post-email scandal "haters."
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It's basically the same people... who don't look at the actual evidence, but only the accusations.
 
Last time I heard, remorse and repentance preceded forgiveness.
 
nota bene said:
Last time I heard, remorse and repentance preceded forgiveness.
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Trump has never even repented or shown remorse. So yeah, why is he forgiven?

Moderator Frank Luntz asked Trump whether he has ever asked God for forgiveness for his actions.

"I am not sure I have. I just go on and try to do a better job from there. I don't think so," he said. "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't."
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Cooper followed up asking Trump if "asking for forgiveness" is a central tenet in his faith life.

"I try not make mistakes where I have to ask forgiveness," Trump answered.

When further asked about repentance again by Cooper, Trump said "I think repenting is terrific."

"Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?" asked Trump. "I work hard, I'm an honorable person."
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Evangelicals who support Trump are hypocritical phonies. No doubt. But then if they believe Trump doesn't make mistakes or sins, then I guess he doesn't need to ask forgiveness. And the Evangelicals can worship Trump instead. :roll:
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Trump has never even repented.





Evangelicals who support Trump are hypocritical phonies. No doubt. But then if they believe Trump doesn't make mistakes or sins, then I guess he doesn't need to ask forgiveness. And the Evangelicals can worship Trump instead. :roll:
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It's above my pay grade to judge. Each one of us has to weigh individually in conscience what "Rending unto Caesar" requires. There really are going to be a lot of people who are going to vote for one or the other candidate out of a sense of duty to the nation; people who believe that Trump/Clinton will destroy it.
 
nota bene said:
It's above my pay grade to judge..
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I don't know what your positions have been in the past, so I'm not specifically pointing at you.

But that's whole point of this thread. Evangelicals have been judging, and preaching about family values politicians for decades. For any Christian, let alone an Evangelical Christian, whose whole faith is dependent on repentance and asking for forgiveness to support someone like Trump is hypocrisy to the nth degree.
 
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