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The Perils of religion [W:1129]

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You need a source to tell you people often become religious later in life? You really should get out more.

You need to follow the discussion a little more closely. ;)
 
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Don't trust Wiki at all. But did some looking around. Estimates are Stalin caused to be killed up to 60 million in his time. I am willing to grant some of those were xians killed for being xians. However, there were nowhere near 60 million xians in Russia at any time in history, so the vast majority were killed for ideological reasons, not due to atheism.

What the **** is a "xian"?
 
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Don't trust Wiki at all. But did some looking around. Estimates are Stalin caused to be killed up to 60 million in his time. I am willing to grant some of those were xians killed for being xians. However, there were nowhere near 60 million xians in Russia at any time in history, so the vast majority were killed for ideological reasons, not due to atheism.

That's under Stalin alone. Not entirely sure what the **** a "xian" is, but there has always been a large Orthodox community in Russia-- it's always been the dominant religion
 
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Xianity is a "lazy" term for Christianity.

Like Xmas is for Christmas.
 
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A thread started with gross inaccuracies that illustrate more about the closed-mindedness of the OP than the point attempting to be made. A pure strawman, full of bigotry and lies. It's sad that you can't engage in an honest discussion and have to resort to such low tactics.

How is it bigotry to point out the obvious? Do you disagree that within religious communities there is a false assumption of the morality of its members? If I were new to this planet you might be able to pull that wool over my eyes but I grew up with a Pentecostal preacher for a grandmother. If you weren't the right brand of christian, she thought you were damned. Even for the Muslim extremists, it is their morality that they are defending from the "Great Satan" in the West. Hell, it's their faith that believers of ALL stripes tie directly to their personal morality. Their "relationship" with Jesus or Allah is built upon that subjective moral sense and they use that to elevate themselves.

I wonder if the faithful are capable of introspection at all. Bigotry is what creates the individual sects that, ultimately, are equally wrong.
 
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Xianity is a "lazy" term for Christianity.

Like Xmas is for Christmas.

"X" is the first letter for the Greek word which has come to be known as jesus. Just another of those little bits the average xian has no idea about.
 
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Do you honestly believe that is the manner in which this poster was using the term? No? Yeah me neither. ;)

You already appear to believe much sillier things and ignore many truer things. Have you anything cogent to contribute to the discussion?
 
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You already appear to believe much sillier things and ignore many truer things. Have you anything cogent to contribute to the discussion?

You first.
 
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I have to say that the web site of D M Murdoch is a horrible resource that quite often utilizing inaccurate information. She has an axe to grind, and has more than a little bit of the 'conspiracy theory' mentality. While quite often, there is somewhat accurate information there, there is quite often that the claims she makes is quite inaccurate, and based on induendo, appeals to authority, and historical inaccuracies. As such,that is a source that is highly suspect, and should be avoided.

Thanks for this heads-up.
 
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Way ahead of you. So one may with some confidence conclude you have nothing to contribute. TTFN :2wave:

I have seen no such thing from you.

So tell me, do you use the term "xian" as a sign of respect for Christians, or as a sign of disrespect?
 
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Thanks for this heads-up.

One can say the same for the bible. BTW, she died earlier this year from cancer and in fact was a well respected researcher widely reviled by the religious for her accuracy.
 
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How is it bigotry to point out the obvious? Do you disagree that within religious communities there is a false assumption of the morality of its members? If I were new to this planet you might be able to pull that wool over my eyes but I grew up with a Pentecostal preacher for a grandmother. If you weren't the right brand of christian, she thought you were damned. Even for the Muslim extremists, it is their morality that they are defending from the "Great Satan" in the West. Hell, it's their faith that believers of ALL stripes tie directly to their personal morality. Their "relationship" with Jesus or Allah is built upon that subjective moral sense and they use that to elevate themselves.

I wonder if the faithful are capable of introspection at all. Bigotry is what creates the individual sects that, ultimately, are equally wrong.

And yet, those who don't believe in anything are equally willing to slaughter their neighbors en masse.
 
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Aside for the obvious falsehoods, outright lies, plagiarizations and determined denials wielded by the faithful over the centuries, slowly many people are seeing through the smoke and smashing the mirrors.

"As I explored this, I realised why there is so much hypocrisy amongst the so-called body of Christ. Christians have little to no motivation to try to be good because they already believe they are good in spite of what they may do simply because of what they believe. This explains why Christians (including the many that barge on into this site) are so pompous, insensitive and full of themselves. Their beliefs give them a false sense of entitlement and superiority where they believe they have a right to say what they want to whomever they want as long as the gospel is being preached. Some will even go as far as to actually tell lies to get their point across. With regard to the issue of faith over works, it is patently obvious why so many Christians fall on the side of faith; it offers the path of least resistance and allows them to indulge their worst traits, safe in the knowledge that unlike the rest of us “sinners”, they are not perfect, but forgiven."


From: 14 Problems with Christianity

What does this have to do with politics?
 
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And yet, those who don't believe in anything are equally willing to slaughter their neighbors en masse.

I know how badly you'd like that to be true but there are a couple of points to make. First of all, I don't know of a single case of someone slaughtering their neighbors, en mass, in the name of atheism. Atheism isn't a cause or an agenda, it's a lack of superstition in one's life.

Secondly, atheists don't claim to be more moral than everyone else so when they murder, unlike with christians, they are equally immoral but aren't being giant hypocrites.

Thirdly, because atheists are a small minority of this planet, to call them "equally willing" is a false equivalency. The faithful, as is well demonstrated in the middle east and elsewhere, have no rational boundaries for their thoughts and, thus, their actions. For an atheist to make the argument that it is proper to strap a bomb to his chest and blow up a crowd full of women and children is unthinkable. The faithful, however, who possess no intellectual standards for their thoughts and behaviors, are, thus, free to do absolutely ANYTHING to anyone. Therefore, the murderous potential of theists is, as evidenced by news reports, limitless.
 
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I know how badly you'd like that to be true but there are a couple of points to make. First of all, I don't know of a single case of someone slaughtering their neighbors, en mass, in the name of atheism. Atheism isn't a cause or an agenda, it's a lack of superstition in one's life.

Secondly, atheists don't claim to be more moral than everyone else so when they murder, unlike with christians, they are equally immoral but aren't being giant hypocrites.

Thirdly, because atheists are a small minority of this planet, to call them "equally willing" is a false equivalency. The faithful, as is well demonstrated in the middle east and elsewhere, have no rational boundaries for their thoughts and, thus, their actions. For an atheist to make the argument that it is proper to strap a bomb to his chest and blow up a crowd full of women and children is unthinkable. The faithful, however, who possess no intellectual standards for their thoughts and behaviors, are, thus, free to do absolutely ANYTHING to anyone. Therefore, the murderous potential of theists is, as evidenced by news reports, limitless.

All those officially atheist East Bloc states are case in point. You've obviously never studied Eastern Europe if you hadn't heard that. So much for "lack of superstitution".

Secondly, almost every atheist I've run into has had a massive superiority complex.

Thirdly, "rationality" didn't stop Hoxha, Mao or Stalin, so.....
 
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All those officially atheist East Bloc states are case in point. You've obviously never studied Eastern Europe if you hadn't heard that. So much for "lack of superstitution".

Secondly, almost every atheist I've run into has had a massive superiority complex.

Thirdly, "rationality" didn't stop Hoxha, Mao or Stalin, so.....

Mankind can be irrational about things other than religion (though there may well be nothing more irrational than religion). These men were all madmen first, atheists second. If it were the other way around, you'd have daily headlines about atheists blowing up plains, trains boats, buildings and people. Oddly, there are no such news reports, yet there are many such reports in which children and adults are abused and murdered, blown to pieces, raped and starved in the name of one imaginary entity or another. Hmm, odd eh?:roll:
 
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There is hope aplenty for the reasoned and rational in the world;

" A small but growing number of cognitive scientists are exploring the relationship between religion and mental illnesses like depression, anxiety disorders and panic."

In fact an increasing number of psychologists are beginning to consider religious beliefs mental illness. Tell someone you are Napoleon and you find yourself in a nice jacket with long arms and lots of nice shiny buckles. Tell someone you believe in people who never existed and an invisible being (Remember Harvey the rabbit?), I see no reason why one shouldn't have something from the same tailor.

10 Signs Religious Fundamentalism Is in Decline
 
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Mankind can be irrational about things other than religion (though there may well be nothing more irrational than religion). These men were all madmen first, atheists seconnd. If it were the other way around, you'd have daily headlines about atheists blowing up plains, trains boats, buildings and people. Oddly, there are no such news reports, yet there are many such reports in which children and adults are abused and murdered, blown to pieces, raped and starved in the name of one imaginary entity or another. Hmm, odd eh?:roll:

Ever hear of....well...pretty much any communist guerilla group? They have you covered in the "blowing up planes" category.
 
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Ever hear of....well...pretty much any communist guerilla group? They have you covered in the "blowing up planes" category.

Again, they are doing it in the name of a failed ideology, not atheism. There us no "Allahu Atheism" hollered when the bomb goes off and hundreds die.
 
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Again, they are doing it in the name of a failed ideology, not atheism. There us no "Allahu Atheism" hollered when the bomb goes off and hundreds die.

And what's a key feature of that failed ideology?

Atheism.

Rejection of religion.

Whatever you want to call it, it's there.
 
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And what's a key feature of that failed ideology?

Atheism.

Rejection of religion.

Whatever you want to call it, it's there.

Atheism is a minor aspect. Socialism is a failed social experiment, a dead ideology which largely appeals only to that segment of the population with a highly developed sense of self entitlement. You post reflects the religious attitude that without an imaginary god, there can be no moral life. First, people had morals, compassion, charity etc long before xinaity was stolen from earlier pagan beliefs, which also had those qualities, which is where the xians stole them. So, nothing new in xianity. Second, if one were to examine the xian theory that god=morality etc, then one would be quite capable of proving their god does not exist simply by relating the immoral, hate filled, mysogynistic, racist, murderous, rape-promoting history of the xian faiths.
 
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