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Why transgenderism is so much worse than typical homosexuality

Aberration said:
If one wishes to make the claim it is genetic, or God "made" them that way, it is.


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Even then, the genes of identical twins develop persons or somewhat differing characteristics. And I had understood some professional person here to have explained that transgender individuals became so as a consequence of some aberration during pregnancy. He seemed very convincing, though, he did not want to use the word challenged for the persons that were so afflicted. Anyway, it was a scientific sounding explanation and it appeared to conform with the research in the internet.
 
Aberration said:
All sin is rebellion against God. And all sin is equal.


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then sin may be good bad or morally depending on what a god wants kinda hard to rebel agaisnt some 1 who wont talk to you at most you rebel against the will of different human believers as far as you actuly know
 
SDET said:
Here's one. There are others.

1 Corinthians 6:18-20

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
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yes i dont know that that could be made up by people heck gods could lie and be wrong to
 
AGENT J said:
Why?
Are you suggesting that when one twin has down syndrome its a choice?
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Who said it was a choice? If anything it would be an affliction, wouldn't it? Or is that politically incorrect?
 
SDET said:
When God brings his judgement upon a nation, the whole nation suffers.
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sounds like you believe in an evil god then
 
Aberration said:
Thanks! I've never bothered to memorize the whole thing.

What I find interesting is the word used for "mark", it's the only time in the entire scripture it is used.


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The one right before that is kind of silly.

Leviticus 19:27

'You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard.

So don't shave your beard or cut your hair? So yeah, ever have long hair and accidentally pull it? Ever try to maintain long hair? It's not exactly pleasant.
 
Aberration said:
Science and facts? We know identical twins where only 1 is gay.


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so homoseuxlity is not purly genetick ok thats not the same as it being a choice ther are other physical factors that alter development you know

guess we are not purly gentiecky hetero sexul either still did not choose to be hetero
 
TheGoverness said:
Well, scientists still aren't exactly sure what determines sexual orientation, but they have hypothesized that a combination of genetic, hormonal, and social factors can determine one's sexual orientation.
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I know. I don't think anything is conclusive, or that it matters much. But the different orientations of identical twins is certainly fair criticism of being born that way.


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joG said:
Who said it was a choice? If anything it would be an affliction, wouldn't it? Or is that politically incorrect?
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Who says Down's Syndrome is an affliction? Think of all the things a person with Down's Syndrome doesn't have to deal with. Everything happens for a reason.
 
Aberration said:
I know. I don't think anything is conclusive, or that it matters much. But the different orientations of identical twins is certainly fair criticism of being born that way.

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based on that statement I'd love to see your response to this:

AGENT J said:
Why?
Are you suggesting that when one twin has down syndrome its a choice?
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Is that fair criticism that people aren't "born" with down syndrome?
 
Zyphlin said:
based on that statement I'd love to see your response to this:



Is that fair criticism that people aren't "born" with down syndrome?
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Sure that's easy. It's obvious to see a child born with Down Syndrome. There is no doubt they are born that way.

As for homosexuality there is nothing definitive that even suggests when or if any change or something happens. All we really know is the result.


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SDET said:
Who says Down's Syndrome is an affliction? Think of all the things a person with Down's Syndrome doesn't have to deal with. Everything happens for a reason.
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As the singer said, it's a wonderful world.
 
SDET said:
Who says Down's Syndrome is an affliction? Think of all the things a person with Down's Syndrome doesn't have to deal with. Everything happens for a reason.
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tings like living for a long time and understanding things about the world or maybe the having of a fmaily of your own

my sister was born wiht a hole in her hear she nearly died from and got leukemia both of which are more likely to happen to people wiht down which she has i love my sister and her child like mind is often sweet and adorable but i wouldn't wish it on any one

modification to ones body has reasons to

tings happen because of reasons is not an indication of whats right and wrong
 
Aberration said:
Science and facts? We know identical twins where only 1 is gay.


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And you would know why that is if you bothered to gain even the tiniest amount of education on the subject. Sexuality is not genetic, or at least not dominantly. However, it is still inborn.

Genetics are not the only thing that can cause inborn traits. Sexuality is mostly a product of fetal hormones and hormonal exposures. Because even identical twins have two separate points of attachment, even when they share a placenta, it is entirely possible for them to have different hormonal exposures.

These sorts of factors even affect physical traits (and indeed, there are physical traits associated with sexuality). This is one of the many reasons that even identical twins can look slightly different, or be different sizes. They may be genetically identical, but their womb environment and hormones were not.

See, this is why learning is good. Stops you from spouting ignorant nonsense.
 
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
And you would know why that is if you bothered to gain even the tiniest amount of education on the subject. Sexuality is not genetic, or at least not dominantly. However, it is still inborn.

Genetics are not the only thing that can cause inborn traits. Sexuality is mostly a product of fetal hormones, which are more a product of the woman than the fetus. Because even identical twins have two separate points of attachment, it is entirely possible for them to have different hormonal exposures. These sorts of factors even affect physical traits (and indeed, there are physical traits associated with sexuality). This is one of the many reasons that even identical twins can look slightly different, or be different sizes.

See, this is why learning is good. Stops you from spouting ignorant nonsense.
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Gender is physical. One can inspect practically any mammal and see if it's male or female. Things only get complicated when people insist on altering God's handiwork.
 
SDET said:
A homosexual can repent. Altering one's body generally isn't reversible. Furthermore it's an act of rebellion against God, attempting to assert he made a mistake. The same is true for tattoos and piercing, just to a lesser extent.
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TaliBornAgain drivel. You ever get the feeling that maybe you were born in the wrong place and time?
 
Aberration said:
Sure that's easy. It's obvious to see a child born with Down Syndrome. There is no doubt they are born that way.
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But that's not an answer because it's irrelevant to your argument.

You seem to be arguing that because IDENTICAL twins had a difference, it cannot be caused by genetics.

Otherwise, your argument doesn't work. The fact you can "See" down syndrome doesn't matter for your argument, because in that case you're using the case that you can "See" it as your reasoning not the fact their identical.

The fact that IDENTICAL twins CAN have genetic differences, such as downs syndrome, proves that it is possible for there to be a genetic difference between the two. As such, you can not claim the fact that one twin is straight as "proof" that the other twin being homosexual is not genetic.

Your logic fails. That doesn't mean it absolutely IS genetic, and trying to branch off into that conversation is another attempt at diversion on your part from my actual point, which is specifically speaking about the specific argument you made that asserted that the ability for twins to have different sexual orientation is somehow proof that it's not genetic.
 
SDET said:
Gender is physical. One can inspect practically any mammal and see if it's male or female. Things only get complicated when people insist on altering God's handiwork.
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No, it isn't. You are talking about sex, not gender. Gender is neurological.

And even in talking about sex, there are instances where your physical inspection would fail you. There are XY people who are born with completely female bodies, and vice versa.

Sorry, but sex and gender are complicated whether you like it or not. They are both a product of many different factors: chromosomes, neurology, embryology, and endocrinology. Each piece dictates a part of the whole you wind up with.

Are you going to address the actual science of the matter in my post above, or continue spouting nonsense?
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
And you would know why that is if you bothered to gain even the tiniest amount of education on the subject. Sexuality is not genetic, or at least not dominantly. However, it is still inborn.

Genetics are not the only thing that can cause inborn traits. Sexuality is mostly a product of fetal hormones and hormonal exposures. Because even identical twins have two separate points of attachment, even when they share a placenta, it is entirely possible for them to have different hormonal exposures.

These sorts of factors even affect physical traits (and indeed, there are physical traits associated with sexuality). This is one of the many reasons that even identical twins can look slightly different, or be different sizes. They may be genetically identical, but their womb environment and hormones were not.

See, this is why learning is good. Stops you from spouting ignorant nonsense.
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I never argued against any of that. See, paying attention is good. It keeps your from spouting irrelevant nonsense.


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Aberration said:
I never argued against any of that. See, paying attention is good. It keeps your from spouting irrelevant nonsense.


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Yes, you did. You said people are not created gay or trans, and used identical twins with only one gay twin as your proof.

And I just showed you why you're wrong, and how that can happen even in genetically identical people, before they're born.
 
TheGoverness said:
It actually does. If you read it again, you can clearly see that the reasearch has determined that homosexuality has a genetic basis.

But if you want another article to read:

https://www.theguardian.com/science...ht-track-were-born-this-way-lets-deal-with-it
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I don't know if you are intentionally lying, or just being dishonest because of your extreme bias. The research didn't determine anything. You could easily just quote the part that does. Or you can try to run around the bush with another article.


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SmokeAndMirrors said:
Yes, you did. You said people are not created gay or trans, and used identical twins with only one gay twin as your proof.

And I just showed you why you're wrong, and how that can happen even in genetically identical people, before they're born.
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Yes I argue they are not created that way. Other external factors effecting how we developed does not argue that. I never made the claim that no one develops into a homosexual.

I think you conflate create and born.


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