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Is Christ our Example?

dadalus

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Robert Ingersoll (look him up) was a remarkable man and his writings are forceful even 100 years later.

This is one that I think stands out for its force and brevity on how we should actually view the character of Jesus in the Bible.

"IS CHRIST OUR EXAMPLE?

HE never said a word in favor of education. He never even hinted at the existence of any science. He never uttered a word in favor of industry, economy or of any effort to better our condition in this world. He was the enemy of the successful, of the wealthy. Dives was sent to hell, not because he was bad, but because he was rich. Lazarus went to heaven, not because he was good, but because he was poor.

Christ cared nothing for painting, for sculpture, for music—nothing for any art. He said nothing about the duties of nation to nation, of king to subject; nothing about the rights of man; nothing about intellectual liberty or the freedom of speech. He said nothing about the sacredness of home; not one word for the fireside; not a word in favor of marriage, in honor of maternity.

He never married. He wandered homeless from place to place with a few disciples. None of them seem to have been engaged in any useful business, and they seem to have lived on alms.
All human ties were held in contempt; this world was sacrificed for the next; all human effort was discouraged. God would support and protect.
At last, in the dusk of death, Christ, finding that he was mistaken, cried out: "My God! My God! Why hast thou forsaken me?"

We have found that man must depend on himself. He must clear the land; he must build the home; he must plow and plant; he must invent; he must work with hand and brain; he must overcome the difficulties and obstructions; he must conquer and enslave the forces of nature to the end that they may do the work of the world."

Comments, questions or concerns?
 
Robert Ingersoll (look him up) was a remarkable man and his writings are forceful even 100 years later.

This is one that I think stands out for its force and brevity on how we should actually view the character of Jesus in the Bible.

"IS CHRIST OUR EXAMPLE?

HE never said a word in favor of education. He never even hinted at the existence of any science. He never uttered a word in favor of industry, economy or of any effort to better our condition in this world. He was the enemy of the successful, of the wealthy. Dives was sent to hell, not because he was bad, but because he was rich. Lazarus went to heaven, not because he was good, but because he was poor.

Christ cared nothing for painting, for sculpture, for music—nothing for any art. He said nothing about the duties of nation to nation, of king to subject; nothing about the rights of man; nothing about intellectual liberty or the freedom of speech. He said nothing about the sacredness of home; not one word for the fireside; not a word in favor of marriage, in honor of maternity.

He never married. He wandered homeless from place to place with a few disciples. None of them seem to have been engaged in any useful business, and they seem to have lived on alms.
All human ties were held in contempt; this world was sacrificed for the next; all human effort was discouraged. God would support and protect.
At last, in the dusk of death, Christ, finding that he was mistaken, cried out: "My God! My God! Why hast thou forsaken me?"

We have found that man must depend on himself. He must clear the land; he must build the home; he must plow and plant; he must invent; he must work with hand and brain; he must overcome the difficulties and obstructions; he must conquer and enslave the forces of nature to the end that they may do the work of the world."

Comments, questions or concerns?

He was a twit.
 
Well, i wouldn't go that far, but Jesus certainly was no Rhodes Scholar, that's true.

Could be because Cecil Rhodes wouldn't be born for 2000+/- more years. :roll:

But Jesus was a rabbi during a time when many weren't literate. :roll:
 
Robert Ingersoll (look him up) was a remarkable man and his writings are forceful even 100 years later.

This is one that I think stands out for its force and brevity on how we should actually view the character of Jesus in the Bible.

"IS CHRIST OUR EXAMPLE?

HE never said a word in favor of education. He never even hinted at the existence of any science. He never uttered a word in favor of industry, economy or of any effort to better our condition in this world. He was the enemy of the successful, of the wealthy. Dives was sent to hell, not because he was bad, but because he was rich. Lazarus went to heaven, not because he was good, but because he was poor.

Christ cared nothing for painting, for sculpture, for music—nothing for any art. He said nothing about the duties of nation to nation, of king to subject; nothing about the rights of man; nothing about intellectual liberty or the freedom of speech. He said nothing about the sacredness of home; not one word for the fireside; not a word in favor of marriage, in honor of maternity.

He never married. He wandered homeless from place to place with a few disciples. None of them seem to have been engaged in any useful business, and they seem to have lived on alms.
All human ties were held in contempt; this world was sacrificed for the next; all human effort was discouraged. God would support and protect.
At last, in the dusk of death, Christ, finding that he was mistaken, cried out: "My God! My God! Why hast thou forsaken me?"

We have found that man must depend on himself. He must clear the land; he must build the home; he must plow and plant; he must invent; he must work with hand and brain; he must overcome the difficulties and obstructions; he must conquer and enslave the forces of nature to the end that they may do the work of the world."

Comments, questions or concerns?

Wow, because someone does not mention a topic then they are suspect? You also seem to not actually know what some of his teaching were about, meaning you missed the point. Me thinks you Logic is majorly flawed but then again most of those attempting to convince themselves that religion is all a bunch of fiction usually do have to revert to bad logic practices and often show they really have not thought the idea through well. My question is why would someone that does not believe in a religion or persons teachings spend their time try to disprove something they believe to be a myth, you trying to convince others or yourself?
 
Robert Ingersoll (look him up) was a remarkable man and his writings are forceful even 100 years later.

This is one that I think stands out for its force and brevity on how we should actually view the character of Jesus in the Bible.

"IS CHRIST OUR EXAMPLE?

HE never said a word in favor of education. He never even hinted at the existence of any science. He never uttered a word in favor of industry, economy or of any effort to better our condition in this world. He was the enemy of the successful, of the wealthy. Dives was sent to hell, not because he was bad, but because he was rich. Lazarus went to heaven, not because he was good, but because he was poor.

Christ cared nothing for painting, for sculpture, for music—nothing for any art. He said nothing about the duties of nation to nation, of king to subject; nothing about the rights of man; nothing about intellectual liberty or the freedom of speech. He said nothing about the sacredness of home; not one word for the fireside; not a word in favor of marriage, in honor of maternity.

He never married. He wandered homeless from place to place with a few disciples. None of them seem to have been engaged in any useful business, and they seem to have lived on alms.
All human ties were held in contempt; this world was sacrificed for the next; all human effort was discouraged. God would support and protect.
At last, in the dusk of death, Christ, finding that he was mistaken, cried out: "My God! My God! Why hast thou forsaken me?"

We have found that man must depend on himself. He must clear the land; he must build the home; he must plow and plant; he must invent; he must work with hand and brain; he must overcome the difficulties and obstructions; he must conquer and enslave the forces of nature to the end that they may do the work of the world."

Comments, questions or concerns?

This post reeks ignorance.
 
Wow, because someone does not mention a topic then they are suspect?
Yes, they are suspect of not caring about such things.

You also seem to not actually know what some of his teaching were about, meaning you missed the point.
I probably know more about Christianity than you, but this was written by Robert Ingersoll, the son of a pastor.

Me thinks you Logic is majorly flawed but then again most of those attempting to convince themselves that religion is all a bunch of fiction usually do have to revert to bad logic practices and often show they really have not thought the idea through well.
What logic is flawed? And, yes, all beliefs based on the supernatural are a bunch of hooey.

My question is why would someone that does not believe in a religion or persons teachings spend their time try to disprove something they believe to be a myth, you trying to convince others or yourself?

Because they want to? Do I need a reason?

Others.
 
Yes, they are suspect of not caring about such things.


I probably know more about Christianity than you, but this was written by Robert Ingersoll, the son of a pastor.


What logic is flawed? And, yes, all beliefs based on the supernatural are a bunch of hooey.



Because they want to? Do I need a reason?

Others.
You have already proven you know squat about Christianity, no matter what you claim.

Yes, attack something you believe does not exist and then call others deranged, yes, you are the expert on logic, :lamo
 
You are just trying to inflame and pick a fight by posting lies.

What about it is a lie? Do you have inside information on what Jesus thought of, say, theater, art, economics, science?

He didn't care! He thought the end of the world was nigh.
 
You have already proven you know squat about Christianity, no matter what you claim.

Yes, attack something you believe does not exist and then call others deranged, yes, you are the expert on logic, :lamo

I promise I know more about Christianity than you. I bet you haven't even read the Bible. I bet you don't even know what P52 is.

BTW, I am attacking a character in the Bible. I believe the Bible exists. So, you not only are wrong, but stupidly wrong. Plus, does that mean Climate Change deniers shouldn't attack Climate Change?

And, why do you attack an atheistic world view if you don't believe an atheistic world exists? See how stupid it sounds?

How about you guys defend your beliefs with some logic and evidence instead of getting all butthurt and blowing people up.
 
What about it is a lie? Do you have inside information on what Jesus thought of, say, theater, art, economics, science?

He didn't care! He thought the end of the world was nigh.

All of the observations in the OP are lies - very easy deduction.

You have no insight into what he thought.
 
I promise I know more about Christianity than you. I bet you haven't even read the Bible. I bet you don't even know what P52 is.

BTW, I am attacking a character in the Bible. I believe the Bible exists. So, you not only are wrong, but stupidly wrong. Plus, does that mean Climate Change deniers shouldn't attack Climate Change?

And, why do you attack an atheistic world view if you don't believe an atheistic world exists? See how stupid it sounds?

How about you guys defend your beliefs with some logic and evidence instead of getting all butthurt and blowing people up.

Of course you do.
 
How about you guys defend your beliefs with some logic and evidence instead of getting all butthurt and blowing people up.

Not everybody feels the need to defend his or her beliefs or to be butthurt either. ;)
 
What about it is a lie? Do you have inside information on what Jesus thought of, say, theater, art, economics, science?

He didn't care! He thought the end of the world was nigh.

Prove it.
 
I promise I know more about Christianity than you. I bet you haven't even read the Bible. I bet you don't even know what P52 is.

BTW, I am attacking a character in the Bible. I believe the Bible exists. So, you not only are wrong, but stupidly wrong. Plus, does that mean Climate Change deniers shouldn't attack Climate Change?

And, why do you attack an atheistic world view if you don't believe an atheistic world exists? See how stupid it sounds?

How about you guys defend your beliefs with some logic and evidence instead of getting all butthurt and blowing people up.
You would lose that bet, I have read front to back twice. Assuming only makes the ASSUMER look ignorant and often arrogant.
I never said I do not believe the Bible exists, I am talking about the belief itself, and so were you, slick.
I did not attack anything, I pointed out the illogic in your attacks.
Why should I defend anything, you do not believe and do not want to so the effort would be a waste of time. my my your Lack-O-Class is showing, again.
 
You would lose that bet, I have read front to back twice. Assuming only makes the ASSUMER look ignorant and often arrogant.
I never said I do not believe the Bible exists, I am talking about the belief itself, and so were you, slick.
I did not attack anything, I pointed out the illogic in your attacks.
Why should I defend anything, you do not believe and do not want to so the effort would be a waste of time. my my your Lack-O-Class is showing, again.

You are spending an awful lot of time on someone you don't want to spend any time on. Why is that?

And as for assuming, you assumed I didn't know about the Bible. You were wrong. So, a little dose of your own medicine.

But here's an idea: how about you drop the childish behavior and actually discuss a topic?
 
You are spending an awful lot of time on someone you don't want to spend any time on. Why is that?

And as for assuming, you assumed I didn't know about the Bible. You were wrong. So, a little dose of your own medicine.

But here's an idea: how about you drop the childish behavior and actually discuss a topic?

The topic where you fabricated observations heavily skewed by your bias and your premise to insult Christians?

Not worth wasting time on such a worthless OP.
 
Robert Ingersoll (look him up) was a remarkable man and his writings are forceful even 100 years later.

This is one that I think stands out for its force and brevity on how we should actually view the character of Jesus in the Bible.

"IS CHRIST OUR EXAMPLE?

HE never said a word in favor of education. He never even hinted at the existence of any science. He never uttered a word in favor of industry, economy or of any effort to better our condition in this world. He was the enemy of the successful, of the wealthy. Dives was sent to hell, not because he was bad, but because he was rich. Lazarus went to heaven, not because he was good, but because he was poor.

Christ cared nothing for painting, for sculpture, for music—nothing for any art. He said nothing about the duties of nation to nation, of king to subject; nothing about the rights of man; nothing about intellectual liberty or the freedom of speech. He said nothing about the sacredness of home; not one word for the fireside; not a word in favor of marriage, in honor of maternity.

He never married. He wandered homeless from place to place with a few disciples. None of them seem to have been engaged in any useful business, and they seem to have lived on alms.
All human ties were held in contempt; this world was sacrificed for the next; all human effort was discouraged. God would support and protect.
At last, in the dusk of death, Christ, finding that he was mistaken, cried out: "My God! My God! Why hast thou forsaken me?"

We have found that man must depend on himself. He must clear the land; he must build the home; he must plow and plant; he must invent; he must work with hand and brain; he must overcome the difficulties and obstructions; he must conquer and enslave the forces of nature to the end that they may do the work of the world."

Comments, questions or concerns?

So somone with zero Biblical knowledge tries to analayze Jesus. How do I know that you have NO Biblical knowledge?? Because anyone who had made any effort whatsoever would have know that when Jesus cried out "My God! My God! Why hast thou forsaken me?", he was referring to what we call Psalm 22.
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.[c]
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.
19 But you, Lord, do not be far from me.
You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+22



This is a prophesy regarding the death of the Messiah and Jesus was using the normal way of referring to a passage at the time of quoting the first lines of the passage being referred to.
So the next time you try to act like know ANYTHING about the Bible, please stop and actually learn something about it beyond regurgitating the same Biblically illiterate garbage that we've all seen time and again.
 
You are spending an awful lot of time on someone you don't want to spend any time on. Why is that?

And as for assuming, you assumed I didn't know about the Bible. You were wrong. So, a little dose of your own medicine.

But here's an idea: how about you drop the childish behavior and actually discuss a topic?

I have a better Idea I will go with your first advice and not waste my time. Good Day, Sir
 
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