How can the right even suggest that they are Christian[W:487]

If you want to know exactly what the right wants for this country, it is spelled out completely in Paul Ryans Budgets signed on , I may add, by 100% of the rights congressmen in his original budget. He wants to pull 5 trillion out of the system 2/3 from the old, sick and needy for the noble sake of the deficit but then turns around and puts in massive tax cuts and handouts to big business and the wealthy, then adds massively to the military budget, gee what about the deficit Ryan. 24 states conservative Governors have excluded Syrians refuges from coming to their state . Conservitives are so far from being Christian with their emphases on attacking gays and not a word about support for the poor , in fact they want to take massively from the poor. 5-6 remarks in the bible about gays and taking care of the poor has the largest verbiage in the bible at 300 times. Conservative Christians will be standing at the gates of heaven and Lazarus will be there and he won't let them in.

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jbander said:

If you want to know exactly what the right wants for this country, it is spelled out completely in Paul Ryans Budgets signed on , I may add, by 100% of the rights congressmen in his original budget. He wants to pull 5 trillion out of the system 2/3 from the old, sick and needy for the noble sake of the deficit but then turns around and puts in massive tax cuts and handouts to big business and the wealthy, then adds massively to the military budget, gee what about the deficit Ryan. 24 states conservative Governors have excluded Syrians refuges from coming to their state . Conservitives are so far from being Christian with their emphases on attacking gays and not a word about support for the poor , in fact they want to take massively from the poor. 5-6 remarks in the bible about gays and taking care of the poor has the largest verbiage in the bible at 300 times. Conservative Christians will be standing at the gates of heaven and Lazarus will be there and he won't let them in.

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seems to me that that jesus fellow said to help the poor, not give the romans your money and let them help the poor.


are you a christian?

curious.

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ReverendHellh0und said:

seems to me that that jesus fellow said to help the poor, not give the romans your money and let them help the poor.


are you a christian?

curious.

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I am, and both Dems and Repubs have deal killers. I cannot be a Dem due to Abortion, and there are many on the Republican side. So i just vote the issues and the least of the evils.

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mak2 said:

I am, and both Dems and Repubs have deal killers. I cannot be a Dem due to Abortion, and there are many on the Republican side. So i just vote the issues and the least of the evils.

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I was talking about the antagonistic thread starter who seems to want to decide who is or who isn't a christian.


I vote for the libertarian or abstain usually, I will not sell out my vote to any evil.

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ReverendHellh0und said:

seems to me that that jesus fellow said to help the poor, not give the romans your money and let them help the poor.


are you a christian?

curious.

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Again the right sending one of it so called Christian to misread the bible, It goes something like this big guy "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." that means you follow their laws and you pay your taxes. We as a country did what every civilized country in the world did and may I point out even many of the uncivilized barbaric countries in the world , we decided to take car of the poor as a country and decided to pay from our taxes what was needed , if you hate everyone then you don't or are unwilling to help the poor. and of course your quick jab about what Rome didn't do is wrong also , they as a government took care of the needy during much of their reign.
The garbage argument about it's suppose to be a personal thing and a church thing, to take care of the poor would go like this, you would be so kind as to feed a family two days a week but dam there is 7 days in the week. If the Church did it ,well they would take care of many until they decided they needed a new golden alter, then until they got done paying for it , the people would have to eat saw dust till the church came around but of course there is that new wing that the church wants to add, well you get the drift. Also why would anyone from the right feed and house anyone, they say they are all cheating and stealing from the government.

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jbander said:

Again the right sending one of it so called Christian to misread the bible, It goes something like this big guy "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." that means you follow their laws and you pay your taxes. We as a country did what every civilized country in the world did and may I point out even many of the uncivilized barbaric countries in the world , we decided to take car of the poor as a country and decided to pay from our taxes what was needed , if you hate everyone then you don't or are unwilling to help the poor. and of course your quick jab about what Rome didn't do is wrong also , they as a government took care of the needy during much of their reign.
The garbage argument about it's suppose to be a personal thing and a church thing, to take care of the poor would go like this, you would be so kind as to feed a family two days a week but dam there is 7 days in the week. If the Church did it ,well they would take care of many until they decided they needed a new golden alter, then until they got done paying for it , the people would have to eat saw dust till the church came around but of course there is that new wing that the church wants to add, well you get the drift. Also why would anyone from the right feed and house anyone, they say they are all cheating and stealing from the government.

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When did I claim I was a christian?

What makes you think I am "sent from the right wing"?

I just find the hubris of a non-christian deciding who is christian or not, sadly entertaining. do carry on.

I kind of skimmed the rest of your post, not really worthy of my time. sorry, not sorry.

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mak2 said:

I am, and both Dems and Repubs have deal killers. I cannot be a Dem due to Abortion, and there are many on the Republican side. So i just vote the issues and the least of the evils.

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I understand that completely, maybe this is a deal maker, simply look at Paul Ryans Budget that defines to the dollar what they want to do in this country. It cuts 5 trillion because of the deficit and takes 2/3 of that money from mostly the needy , the old and the sick and part from the middle class programs, but then side tracts the importance of the deficit and wants massive tax breaks and give away's to Big business and the wealthy and then wants to add billions to the military. Is this how you see our country. I totally appreciate your position on progressive but to me there is not a single question in the world that would have me support the 2015 disaster they call the conservatives over any Democrat.

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mak2 said:

I am, and both Dems and Repubs have deal killers. I cannot be a Dem due to Abortion, and there are many on the Republican side. So i just vote the issues and the least of the evils.

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I don't, Mak. I vote the issues, but I will vote no rather than vote the candidate that is marginally the lesser of the evils.

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ReverendHellh0und said:

When did I claim I was a christian?

What makes you think I am "sent from the right wing"?

I just find the hubris of a non-christian deciding who is christian or not, sadly entertaining. do carry on.

I kind of skimmed the rest of your post, not really worthy of my time. sorry, not sorry.

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I will believe that when you stop responding . I know exactly why you won't respond but you will take the time to attack me personally but nothing ever on the facts I write. When it comes to you, it's garbage in garbage out.

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jbander said:

If you want to know exactly what the right wants for this country, it is spelled out completely in Paul Ryans Budgets signed on , I may add, by 100% of the rights congressmen in his original budget. He wants to pull 5 trillion out of the system 2/3 from the old, sick and needy for the noble sake of the deficit but then turns around and puts in massive tax cuts and handouts to big business and the wealthy, then adds massively to the military budget, gee what about the deficit Ryan. 24 states conservative Governors have excluded Syrians refuges from coming to their state . Conservitives are so far from being Christian with their emphases on attacking gays and not a word about support for the poor , in fact they want to take massively from the poor. 5-6 remarks in the bible about gays and taking care of the poor has the largest verbiage in the bible at 300 times. Conservative Christians will be standing at the gates of heaven and Lazarus will be there and he won't let them in.

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..and another example of why some people should not be allowed on the internet. Instead of honestly and objectively looking at people you don't agree with, you just picked out bits and pieces that you can use to justify your bigotry and hate and then spewed all over DP. You take things grossly out of context and use them as your blunt instrument to attack people you don't like. The really sad thing is that your post shows the worst in you, not the worst in conservatives...

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jbander said:

If you want to know exactly what the right wants for this country, it is spelled out completely in Paul Ryans Budgets signed on , I may add, by 100% of the rights congressmen in his original budget. He wants to pull 5 trillion out of the system 2/3 from the old, sick and needy for the noble sake of the deficit but then turns around and puts in massive tax cuts and handouts to big business and the wealthy, then adds massively to the military budget, gee what about the deficit Ryan. 24 states conservative Governors have excluded Syrians refuges from coming to their state . Conservitives are so far from being Christian with their emphases on attacking gays and not a word about support for the poor , in fact they want to take massively from the poor. 5-6 remarks in the bible about gays and taking care of the poor has the largest verbiage in the bible at 300 times. Conservative Christians will be standing at the gates of heaven and Lazarus will be there and he won't let them in.

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I've worshipped alongside both Republicans and Democrats. I've sat across the table from and had political discussions with Christian conservatives and progressives. I've even conversed with a sitting senator who is a devout Christian and a tea party aligned conservative. I find it impossible to deny that any of them are Christian. Both sides want what is best for the country, they just disagree on how to get there.

Christians on the right believe that poverty is the result of a lack of motivation and that if we ended the safety net programs that are allowing the poor to live off of charity, the threat of starvation would motivate them to better themselves. They also see taxes and government regulation as chains that constrain businesses. They believe that if we unburdened those business by cutting taxes and getting rid of some of those chains of regulation, they could operate more efficiently and become stronger engines in the economy, leading to more job growth and increased opportunity. Thus they seek to cut social programs as well taxes and government regulation. In this way, conservatives seek to address the issue of poverty

Those on the left see poverty as a systemic, structural problem, the result of a socio-economic system that unequally distributes opportunity in an unjust way. They see the path towards ending poverty as one wherein we make changes to the system so that opportunity is more justly distributed; those needing more help get more help and those needing less get less. They see taxes and government regulation as tools that can be utilized to fix some of these systemic problems and help guide us towards a more just society. In that way, progressives tend to see government regulation and taxation as useful tools in creating the kind of just society they wish we had. In this way, progressives seek to address the issue of poverty.

Ultimately, both seek the same thing. They seek an end to poverty and a stronger economy. They just seek it in different ways.

Obviously, I align myself with one of those camps and think the others are completely wrong. But that's no excuse for me to pretend that my tea party brothers in Christ are any less Christian than I am. Wrong? Yes. Deceived? Yes. Missing the point on a lot of issues? Yes. But not Christian? heck no! I have and will continue to gladly worship alongside them and work with them in the areas we do agree on.


*I recognize this is a gross oversimplification and that there are may different nuances I could have gone into. I stuck to poverty as an example, but ultimately the progressive and conservative vision for America really are quite different. I realize I'm only scratching the surface.

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faithful_servant said:

..and another example of why some people should not be allowed on the internet. Instead of honestly and objectively looking at people you don't agree with, you just picked out bits and pieces that you can use to justify your bigotry and hate and then spewed all over DP. You take things grossly out of context and use them as your blunt instrument to attack people you don't like. The really sad thing is that your post shows the worst in you, not the worst in conservatives...

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What a fraud, I made a point, comment about the point instead of attacking me personally. Pull something out of context you say, Here is his 2011 ryan budget, "http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/pathtoprosperityfy2012.pdf"if you need other years ask, want a synopses they are all over the internet,

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CrabCake said:

I've worshipped alongside both Republicans and Democrats. I've sat across the table from and had political discussions with Christian conservatives and progressives. I've even conversed with a sitting senator who is a devout Christian and a tea party aligned conservative. I find it impossible to deny that any of them are Christian. Both sides want what is best for the country, they just disagree on how to get there.

Christians on the right believe that poverty is the result of a lack of motivation and that if we ended the safety net programs that are allowing the poor to live off of charity, the threat of starvation would motivate them to better themselves. They also see taxes and government regulation as chains that constrain businesses. They believe that if we unburdened those business by cutting taxes and getting rid of some of those chains of regulation, they could operate more efficiently and become stronger engines in the economy, leading to more job growth and increased opportunity. Thus they seek to cut social programs as well taxes and government regulation. In this way, conservatives seek to address the issue of poverty

Those on the left see poverty as a systemic, structural problem, the result of a socio-economic system that unequally distributes opportunity in an unjust way. They see the path towards ending poverty as one wherein we make changes to the system so that opportunity is more justly distributed; those needing more help get more help and those needing less get less. They see taxes and government regulation as tools that can be utilized to fix some of these systemic problems and help guide us towards a more just society. In that way, progressives tend to see government regulation and taxation as useful tools in creating the kind of just society they wish we had. In this way, progressives seek to address the issue of poverty.

Ultimately, both seek the same thing. They seek an end to poverty and a stronger economy. They just seek it in different ways.

Obviously, I align myself with one of those camps and think the others are completely wrong. But that's no excuse for me to pretend that my tea party brothers in Christ are any less Christian than I am. Wrong? Yes. Deceived? Yes. Missing the point on a lot of issues? Yes. But not Christian? heck no! I have and will continue to gladly worship alongside them and work with them in the areas we do agree on.


*I recognize this is a gross oversimplification and that there are may different nuances I could have gone into. I stuck to poverty as an example, but ultimately the progressive and conservative vision for America really are quite different. I realize I'm only scratching the surface.

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Your brothers in Christ wouldn't want to pull 3.5 trillion from programs for the old and sick and needy, There is nothing listed in the bible more times than our responsibility to take car of the needy. If you don't think that will put the needy , old in sick in cardboard boxes , your nuts. Since Reagans trickle down lie, the number of poor has increased and the middle class is poorer, the income is about the same as it was back when the bad actor was the king. but the real poverty increase is through debt not income , the same income with massive more debt still makes everyone poorer. We do know that in those same years a small minute group in this country prospered big time. That was done with tax structure. The right really believed in trickle down because the people that control the right were the ones that prospered from trickle down. Your Idea that there is a massive abuse of the system is wrong. Does it exist at all. sure but corporate welfare is twice as high as people welfare and they cheat big time. The idea that there are poor ,old and sick isn't going to change. Simply Google welfare fraud you will find out that it will be very hard for you to get support on that. but if you have luck pass it on, I'll look at it.

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a Republican president means that the Ryan budget is within the realm of possibility, because congress isn't likely to flip dem.

what a ****ty Democratic field this time. Sanders is decent, but come on; he'll have dropped out by the time i get a chance to vote. so basically, to prevent Medicare from being privatized or significantly ****ed with, i have to vote for expanding the endless war in the Middle East with no tax increases to pay for it. the two party system sucks.

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Helix said:

a Republican president means that the Ryan budget is within the realm of possibility, because congress isn't likely to flip dem.

what a ****ty Democratic field this time. Sanders is decent, but come on; he'll have dropped out by the time i get a chance to vote. so basically, to prevent Medicare from being privatized or significantly ****ed with, i have to vote for expanding the endless war in the Middle East with no tax increases to pay for it. the two party system sucks.

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The first part That would be correct, if there is hope to move away from the insanity of the middle east, it will be the Democrats who do it. The regressives would simply be the extension of the Bush Cheney money scheme called the liars war. They are more concerned for their personal coffers than worrying over murdering a few Americans like Bush did. Ya your right about Sanders , a truly good man who cares about the people and keeps quite closely aligned to the people. That is rarely seen in politicians now.

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We had the biggest whacky in politics here , I'm from the 6th district in Minnesota .Michelle Bachmanns area . She said she talked to God all the time and he told her what to do and how to think and answered those deep questions that where in this women's tremendous mind. I was really surprised when she said that because she was like the Fox News study that said 60% of everything they say is a lie. I really do believe she was closer to 75-80% . She is the definition of chronic Lying , even when the facts supported what she said , she would still lie about it. With the lies and the hatred that came out of those rosy lips, showed what a right wing Christian is in reality. My favorite is her husband ran a counselling service that was a pray the gay away counselling service and took fed money in chunks doing it. I guess the point i'm making again is these supposed bible based right wing Christian groups that make up the supposed Christian faction of the Regressive party are as sick and evil as the worst people I've ever met. They are so far from being Christian that it's a chuckle every time they talk about what God want us to do and what is right and wrong.

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The right thinks that it is Christian to take massive amounts of money from the needy and give it to the wealthy , big business and the military. Somehow they can twist their Christian logic around enough to say that it's ok , to hate Moslem’s, its ok to hate Poor Mexicans, it's the Christian thing to not let in people from the Middle east that are starving and trying to escape from war zones. They want us to hate unions , they support the killing of unarmed blacks in this country because they are just evil and I guess should die any way possible. So the cops killing them is OK. The poor are really takers , cons and thieves so they want to stop giving to the needy, the old and the sick, Regressives say they are the producers. There attack on teachers, teachers unions and education is really going to help us in the future. All these things that are just expected of regressives are all unchristian and regressives are their own God.

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jbander said:

I will believe that when you stop responding . I know exactly why you won't respond but you will take the time to attack me personally but nothing ever on the facts I write. When it comes to you, it's garbage in garbage out.

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For someone who starts antagonistic insulting threads you seem quite sensative yourself.

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jbander said:

The first part That would be correct, if there is hope to move away from the insanity of the middle east, it will be the Democrats who do it. The regressives would simply be the extension of the Bush Cheney money scheme called the liars war. They are more concerned for their personal coffers than worrying over murdering a few Americans like Bush did. Ya your right about Sanders , a truly good man who cares about the people and keeps quite closely aligned to the people. That is rarely seen in politicians now.

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I don't see how voting for Democrats is going to get us out of the Middle East. Let's face it; Clinton is a hawk.

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Sadly, Helix, when I listened to this morning's news about Boko Haram and Bali, I realized that we are now probably going to become even more entangled in the Middle East.

But I do think that expediency and utility make good bedfellows and wonder if now the decent human beings of all nations are going to be aligning themselves to destroy ISIS and et al...a real "coalition of the willing," if you will.

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jbander said:

I understand that completely, maybe this is a deal maker, simply look at Paul Ryans Budget that defines to the dollar what they want to do in this country. It cuts 5 trillion because of the deficit and takes 2/3 of that money from mostly the needy , the old and the sick and part from the middle class programs, but then side tracts the importance of the deficit and wants massive tax breaks and give away's to Big business and the wealthy and then wants to add billions to the military. Is this how you see our country. I totally appreciate your position on progressive but to me there is not a single question in the world that would have me support the 2015 disaster they call the conservatives over any Democrat.

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In that you've never demonstrated any ability to do anything but toe the Dem party line, you're last statement should come as a shock to, well, nobody.

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jbander said:

I will believe that when you stop responding . I know exactly why you won't respond but you will take the time to attack me personally but nothing ever on the facts I write. When it comes to you, it's garbage in garbage out.

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Oh, the irony. :lol:

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Helix said:

I don't see how voting for Democrats is going to get us out of the Middle East. Let's face it; Clinton is a hawk.

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Well you know Sanders would but can you suggest one of the regressives candidates that would. if not then the only party that would is the Democrats as I said. but the party line designation of hawk seems to fit Democrats also now, The involvement level that Obama chooses Syria , Libia , Yemen and Somalia are more acceptable to me then wars for presidents pocket book like Iraq and Afghanistan.

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X Factor said:

In that you've never demonstrated any ability to do anything but toe the Dem party line, you're last statement should come as a shock to, well, nobody.

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If you think my comment is incorrect , respond to it, Your response only suggest that you know I'm right, you don't like it so you throw a shot in, that means nothing and is a total empty comment. But I see nothing to even suggest my comments are wrong from anyone on the right. Your comment that I toe the democratic line is from a regressive who as always toes their party line but that seems to be the total depth of all of their party.

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X Factor said:

Oh, the irony. :lol:

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My opinion is directed at the regressive party, how did I attack you for instance. The regressive responses are directed at me personally. I know you will deny that there is no difference but there is. To me it simply supports my contention and the facts I present. By the way how should I act to a group that would destroy my country and its values. Just wondering.