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51% of American Muslims want Islamic sharia,25% okay with violence against Americans

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According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%).

More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts.

Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”

Nearly one-fifth of Muslim respondents said that the use of violence in the United States is justified in order to make shariah the law of the land in this country.

The findings of the Center for Security Policy’s survey of Muslims in America suggests that we have a serious problem. The Pew Research Center estimates that the number of Muslims in the United States was 2.75 million in 2011, and growing at a rate of 80-90 thousand a year. If those estimates are accurate, the United States would have approximately 3 million Muslims today. That would translate into roughly 300,000 Muslims living in the United States who believe that shariah is “The Muslim God Allah’s law that Muslims must follow and impose worldwide by Jihad.”

Center for Security Policy | Poll of U.S. Muslims Reveals Ominous Levels Of Support For Islamic Supremacists’ Doctrine of Shariah, Jihad
 
Re: 51% of American Muslims want Islamic sharia,25% okay with violence against Americ

Of course they'd want Sharia over US laws.

Sharia

1. Protects Religion
2. Protects Life
3. Protects Intellect
4. Protects Progeny
5. Protects Property

They don't feel -- and rightly so in most cases -- that the US Constitution does this.
 
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ChezC3 said:
Of course they'd want Sharia over US laws.

Sharia

1. Protects Religion
2. Protects Life
3. Protects Intellect
4. Protects Progeny
5. Protects Property

They don't feel -- and rightly so in most cases -- that the US Constitution does this.
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Sharia, and all other religious based moral and legal systems I am aware of do not protect or guarantee any of that, on the contrary.
 
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Dragonfly said:
New Poll on American Muslims Is Grounded in Bias, Riddled with Flaws |

Fear, using it as a tool to foster more fear and hatred. Pretty sad and pathetic.
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I agree with this, but what do you think the actual percentages are?

This poll was not conducted professionally, but it did detect a significant amount of muslims with these opinions.... you want to completely discount it, but would you want a more professional study done? Are you curious to know? What percentage would you consider "significant"?
 
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ChezC3 said:
Of course they'd want Sharia over US laws.

Sharia

1. Protects Religion
2. Protects Life
3. Protects Intellect
4. Protects Progeny
5. Protects Property

They don't feel -- and rightly so in most cases -- that the US Constitution does this.
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:giggling:
Oh man, please educate me how sharia does any of these in a free society...
 
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celticwar17 said:
I agree with this, but what do you think the actual percentages are?

This poll was not conducted professionally, but it did detect a significant amount of muslims with these opinions.... you want to completely discount it, but would you want a more professional study done? Are you curious to know? What percentage would you consider "significant"?
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I have no idea what the actual percentages are. Probably right on target with the number of people who'd like to re-write the constitution with major emphasis on biblical ideologies.

A very small percent.

Nothing to worry about unless they're running for public office and then they should be "outed" loudly and repeatedly.
 
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L0neW0lf said:
Sharia, and all other religious based moral and legal systems I am aware of do not protect or guarantee any of that, on the contrary.
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Than you simply aren't informed.
 
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celticwar17 said:
:giggling:
Oh man, please educate me how sharia does any of these in a free society...
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I'm not here to spoon feed you, but by all means youtube Sheik Hamza Yusuf watch, listen, and learn for yourself.
 
Re: 51% of American Muslims want Islamic sharia,25% okay with violence against Americ

The poll's methodology is crap. In an anonymous online opt-in poll, how do you know that the people who answered the question are even Muslim? What would have prevented a Christian who hates Muslims from taking the poll and answering the way he believes that Muslims think?

Second, I read a poll that said that about 60% of Republicans in Mississippi thought interracial marriage should be illegal or "weren't sure," and two thirds of that figure said "illegal." Is that poll just as flawed? Perhaps. Or there are just a lot of intolerant people out there, regardless of politics or religion.
 
Re: 51% of American Muslims want Islamic sharia,25% okay with violence against Americ

If you arrive on these shores, forsaking the land of your forefathers, don't expect your new country to bend to your will and become the land of your forefathers.

Perhaps you should consider to go back to the land of your forefathers, where it's set up the way you like it?
 
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ChezC3 said:
Than you simply aren't informed.
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I'd like to think I have a solid understanding of the religion, which is why I left it. Undoubtedly Muhammad was progressive (relative to his culture) and changed his society for the better, but we have come a long way since then and Islamic law (particularly the Hudud) are immoral and outdated.
 
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L0neW0lf said:
I'd like to think I have a solid understanding of the religion, which is why I left it. Undoubtedly Muhammad was progressive (relative to his culture) and changed his society for the better, but we have come a long way since then and Islamic law (particularly the Hudud) are immoral and outdated.
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I think the world is full of former members of religion which know little to nothing of the actual religion they left. (there's also a world full of ignoramuses who haven't left as well)

Like with most, a lack of scholarly knowledge, and those with limited knowledge being put to the forefront are at the root of most misunderstandings, misinterpretations, and misleadings.

As I write this I have a copy of Al-Aqidah at-Tahawiah sitting next to my computer. I'm re-reading this particular work and you'd be hard pressed to find any of what people "fear" or misunderstand as Islam found within it's pages. I'm familiar primarily with the Maliki and Shafi'i madhab's. (yes, the previous book mentioned is a Hanafi scholar who authored it) Having actually taken the time to delve deeper than probably most secularized Muslims and certainly more than most posters on this board, I do feel I have developed a corpus of requisite knowledge to hold a dignified discussion about Islam.

Legitimate scholars today are questioning the very thing you speak. How in today's world, in the contextualism involving the interpretations and reconciliations. They understand that the methods of the 8th century aren't those to be used in the 21st But al you hear about and all you think of are the idiots on the TV shown to be 8th century throwbacks.
 
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youngturk said:
Center for Security Policy | Poll of U.S. Muslims Reveals Ominous Levels Of Support For Islamic Supremacists’ Doctrine of Shariah, Jihad[/url]
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LOL.
Does CSP honcho Frank Gaffney EVER publish anything that's not OMINOUS ?
The guy's an anti-Islamic freak.
 
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youngturk said:
According to the just-released survey of Muslims, a majority (51%) agreed that “Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to shariah.” When that question was put to the broader U.S. population, the overwhelming majority held that shariah should not displace the U.S. Constitution (86% to 2%).

More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts.

Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”

Nearly one-fifth of Muslim respondents said that the use of violence in the United States is justified in order to make shariah the law of the land in this country.

The findings of the Center for Security Policy’s survey of Muslims in America suggests that we have a serious problem. The Pew Research Center estimates that the number of Muslims in the United States was 2.75 million in 2011, and growing at a rate of 80-90 thousand a year. If those estimates are accurate, the United States would have approximately 3 million Muslims today. That would translate into roughly 300,000 Muslims living in the United States who believe that shariah is “The Muslim God Allah’s law that Muslims must follow and impose worldwide by Jihad.”

Center for Security Policy | Poll of U.S. Muslims Reveals Ominous Levels Of Support For Islamic Supremacists’ Doctrine of Shariah, Jihad
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That site has been cited a number of times for being anti-Islamic and unbalanced when it comes to reporting. Do you have a non-biased source for that?
 
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celticwar17 said:
I agree with this, but what do you think the actual percentages are?

This poll was not conducted professionally, but it did detect a significant amount of muslims with these opinions.... you want to completely discount it, but would you want a more professional study done? Are you curious to know? What percentage would you consider "significant"?
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I think you are misunderstanding what "these opinions" means when you say that the poll detected a significant amount of muslims with "these optinions". Contrary to the right wing narrative, Sharia is not a legal system that you just drop in and replace the current legal system with. Sharia is a word used to describe all of the principles of living an Islamic lifestyle. It's like if we combined all of the teachings of Jesus into something we started calling "Jesiah". The statement: "Christians in America should have the choice of being governed according to Jesiah" wouldn't really make any sense. Is the question implying that there are those who think Christians should be denied the right to live a Jesiah (Christian) lifestyle? You have to buy into the Republican narrative for the questions in the poll to start making sense.
 
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CrabCake said:
I think you are misunderstanding what "these opinions" means when you say that the poll detected a significant amount of muslims with "these optinions". Contrary to the right wing narrative, Sharia is not a legal system that you just drop in and replace the current legal system with. Sharia is a word used to describe all of the principles of living an Islamic lifestyle. It's like if we combined all of the teachings of Jesus into something we started calling "Jesiah". The statement: "Christians in America should have the choice of being governed according to Jesiah" wouldn't really make any sense. Is the question implying that there are those who think Christians should be denied the right to live a Jesiah (Christian) lifestyle? You have to buy into the Republican narrative for the questions in the poll to start making sense.
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That is actually... not necessarily true, especially with people with close ties to or have immigrated from islam-run governments.... church and state is not a separate thing, the religion is the reality that all under the government should obey to.
 
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celticwar17 said:
That is actually... not necessarily true, especially with people with close ties to or have immigrated from islam-run governments.... church and state is not a separate thing, the religion is the reality that all under the government should obey to.
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Sure, but that has nothing to do with the questions this poll asked. That's a whole different question. The question you need to ask then is more along the lines of:

Do you believe there should be a separation between church and state?

That might be a useful question. But the question that was actually asked made no sense and revealed nothing.

When you say it revealed something about people who have "these opinions", you're simply mistaken. Since the question made no sense it really revealed nothing. Once you realize that Shariah is not a legal system that people want to replace other legal systems with but is instead a term used to refer to the ideal Islamic way of life, you realize the question that was asked revealed nothing.
 
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radioman said:
LOL.
Does CSP honcho Frank Gaffney EVER publish anything that's not OMINOUS ?
The guy's an anti-Islamic freak.
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He writes for the "Washington Times". What more needs to be said?
 
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RAMOSS said:
That site has been cited a number of times for being anti-Islamic and unbalanced when it comes to reporting. Do you have a non-biased source for that?
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Pew research is probably the best one out there for conducting scientific polls with many of them involving Islam.

In general, however, what happens any time Islam is the subject matter is that those with a strong bias to defend and those with a strong bias to attack both reference sites that are not exactly concerned with methodology. Further, those who see politics in terms of left/right identity automatically resist anything they have framed as the other. This has led to countless on the left automatically defending as they see the attacks as arising from the right, whereas those on the right see the left as being in cahoots with Islam.

What Muslims actually believe when it comes to politics is an interesting subject, and those who automatically defend are no different than those who are overly alarmist. they are simply feeding off each other in an endless loop that distracts from the very real and very serious issues involving the relationship between following Islam and living in liberal western democracies.
 
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