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what does any of this have to do with homosexuality being right or wrong? just curious
Ask a gay Mayan....:2razz:
what does any of this have to do with homosexuality being right or wrong? just curious
what does any of this have to do with homosexuality being right or wrong? just curious
Read the thread. :mrgreen:
Black Slavery in America: originally proposed by.... (drumroll)..... Bartolomé de las Casas!
It would be impossible to Cliff Notes this thread. Lulz.
No doubt. :lol:
what does any of this have to do with homosexuality being right or wrong? just curious
Do you think there's something wrong with us?
We'd like to ask the gay mayans, but the Spanish Christians killed them all.
Would you please support your claims?
I like how you chose the New Testament
Actually, it's very easy to answer this question. Have you ever heard of the Golden Rule? Treat others as you would have them treat you. That is reciprocity. An eye for an eye is also reciprocity. Jesus specifically states the golden rule, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
well yes. you specifically stated that an eye for an eye was a constant to every moral code.
no, you are turning eye for an eye on it's head and claiming it is still the same thing. treating others as you would have them treat you in no way implies an eye for an eye; that would be instead "treat others as you have been treated"; which Jesus specifically strikes down ("“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also."). instead of seeking vengeance, the Golden Rule implies that once your eye has been plucked out, that you forgive the plucker as you would have had them forgive you whatever transgression you performed.
being gay in the sense that one wishes to have sexual relations with someone of the same gender isn't wrong, just as me being attracted to other women isn't wrong.
acting out those temptations is what is wrong.
But WHY did he say so?
There seems to be no logical reason anymore for being gay to be considered wrong
God created man a help mate. God meant man to be with woman
Matthew 19:4-6 (New King James Version)
4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made[a]them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?[c] 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
"Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do." 1 Corinthians 7:8
Probably for the same reason that menstruation is a sin. (Leviticus 15:19)\
Wow. You are totally right. Obviously men were created to leave their father and mother and be joined with a woman. This is clearly what God wants, and what every man should strive for, to be united in matrimony as one man and one woman, together as one flesh just as God inten-
Oh, wait a minute. This just in from Paul the Apostle...
I thought a man was supposed to "leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?" How could it be good to remain unmarried if we were made man and women and intended to become one flesh? What do you suppose my buddy Jesus would have to say about that?
Jesus: "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given." -Matt 19:11
Ah, so there may be some people to whom this word [that men should marry women] has not been given? Maybe those who were made eunuchs by birth for example? Or perhaps women who were made with a predilection for sex with other women?
Looks like Jesus comes through once again in defense of rational thought.
Probably for the same reason that menstruation is a sin. (Leviticus 15:19)\
Wow. You are totally right. Obviously men were created to leave their father and mother and be joined with a woman. This is clearly what God wants, and what every man should strive for, to be united in matrimony as one man and one woman, together as one flesh just as God inten-
Oh, wait a minute. This just in from Paul the Apostle...
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I thought a man was supposed to "leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?" How could it be good to remain unmarried if we were made man and women and intended to become one flesh? What do you suppose my buddy Jesus would have to say about that?
Jesus: "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given." -Matt 19:11
Ah, so there may be some people to whom this word [that men should marry women] has not been given? Maybe those who were made eunuchs by birth for example? Or perhaps women who were made with a predilection for sex with other women?
Looks like Jesus comes through once again in defense of rational thought.
Ah, so there may be some people to whom this word [that men should marry women] has not been given? Maybe those who were made eunuchs by birth for example? Or perhaps women who were made with a predilection for sex with other women?
Looks like Jesus comes through once again in defense of rational thought.
Paul is talking about a total commitment to God. He is saying if you can but most don't. Still shows their is no room for gay marriage.
That is actually a very compelling argument. It once again comes down to interpretation.
"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."
A marriage license is not the same thing as a religious marriage. I've asked many Christians if they were to get married in a Church without signing a license, would God recognize their marriage, and not one of them has said "No". The piece of paper and the rights that go with it belong to the state and thus civil marriage is not the same as religious marriage. Allow the state to marry same sex couples but leave religious marriage to the church. That is the way it should be.
Since gay marriage does not exist on the books, and never has. What exactly is their to render?
If your hand causes you to sin, better to cut it off than face hellfire.