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Question for people who believe being gay to be wrong

You implied it rather strongly, ma'am.


I get really tired of being as civil as I know how to be in these religion-related threads, and being greeted in turn with mockery, sarcasm, implied slurs, thinly-veiled insults, borderline trolling and other crap.

Then when I see someone like Digsbe, who is civil, honest and decent, patiently and politely explaining what he believes, only to be dogpiled by people people who can only mock, denigrate and insult him, I am disgusted beyond my capacity to express.

Say what you will, but you can say it to my back; I'm done with this thread.

You expressed yourself quite well, to be honest.
 
I've seen several posts that claim that homosexual sex, being incapable of producing children, has no benefit to society. Why is making people happy of no benefit to society? What is society's goal if not fostering happiness? How many of us truly believe that sex is only about reproduction? If it's okay to sleep with someone without intending to make a baby, then it doesn't matter who you're sleeping with. The result is pleasure and satisfaction, which is always a benefit to the people doing it, and usually to the people around them, too.
 
I've seen several posts that claim that homosexual sex, being incapable of producing children, has no benefit to society. Why is making people happy of no benefit to society? What is society's goal if not fostering happiness? How many of us truly believe that sex is only about reproduction? If it's okay to sleep with someone without intending to make a baby, then it doesn't matter who you're sleeping with. The result is pleasure and satisfaction, which is always a benefit to the people doing it, and usually to the people around them, too.

many people find it pleasurable and satisfying to have sex with animals, children, fruits and vegetables, corpses, household appliances, etc. just because it feels good, doesn't mean it is OK to do it :shrug:
 
but that insinuation is almost always made. honesty is the best policy

It wasn't made by me, so why quote my post when trying to make that point? DAMMIT> Speaking of intellectual honesty...

Saying it here doesn't make it less impactful to people.
 
You implied it rather strongly, ma'am.


I get really tired of being as civil as I know how to be in these religion-related threads, and being greeted in turn with mockery, sarcasm, implied slurs, thinly-veiled insults, borderline trolling and other crap.

Then when I see someone like Digsbe, who is civil, honest and decent, patiently and politely explaining what he believes, only to be dogpiled by people people who can only mock, denigrate and insult him, I am disgusted beyond my capacity to express.

Say what you will, but you can say it to my back; I'm done with this thread.

Oh, gosh, I'm deeply hurt that after making inaccurate statements about my posts, you then are going to pull this sort of move.

I didn't dogpile Digsbe. I POINTEDLY made an effort to use scripture to represent my view on the subject, and I was kind. YOUR FAULTY READING AND EMOTIONALISM IS NOT MY PROBLEM.

And, I consider this post a personal attack.
 
many people find it pleasurable and satisfying to have sex with animals, children, fruits and vegetables, corpses, household appliances, etc. just because it feels good, doesn't mean it is OK to do it :shrug:

Was your intent in pointing out a fault in his logic (which you did) or are you indicating that gay sex is wrong like ****ing a corpse is wrong?
 
It wasn't made by me, so why quote my post when trying to make that point? DAMMIT> Speaking of intellectual honesty....

um...because you are the one who replied to me????
 
Was your intent in pointing out a fault in his logic (which you did) or are you indicating that gay sex is wrong like ****ing a corpse is wrong?

Basically the same thing, right?

Does it strike you that on some subjects, people's perspectives are totally distorted.

I.e., you equate sex between two gay men who love each other with necrophilia, bestiality, and pedophilia...Just, wow.
 
um...because you are the one who replied to me????

I'm mainly miffed at Goshin, because the allegations he made, while quoting my post, were NOT THINGS I DID.

In fact, I made a concerted effort to be respectful of Digsbe's faith and speak on his terms. Much more so than I did with ptif, for instance, who didn't deserve it.
 
Was your intent in pointing out a fault in his logic (which you did) or are you indicating that gay sex is wrong like ****ing a corpse is wrong?

fault with the logic. I made this point earlier in the thread. i am not against homosexuality, I am against using faulty logic/arguements to argue for it.
 
He does it here. That's sufficient.

telling someone the truth isn't the same as judging them in the sense that you are discussing. there is a distinction between recognizing sin in ones' actions and condeming a person.
 
You implied it rather strongly, ma'am.


I get really tired of being as civil as I know how to be in these religion-related threads, and being greeted in turn with mockery, sarcasm, implied slurs, thinly-veiled insults, borderline trolling and other crap.

Then when I see someone like Digsbe, who is civil, honest and decent, patiently and politely explaining what he believes, only to be dogpiled by people people who can only mock, denigrate and insult him, I am disgusted beyond my capacity to express.

Say what you will, but you can say it to my back; I'm done with this thread.

truth. i don't know what it is about those who have decided not to follow Christianity that make some of them feel the need to attack those who do.
 
Why are you making assumptions that he goes around telling gays they're living in sin?

A co-worker of mine is a lesbian. In point of fact, I knew this because I know her family. She hasn't been at the office long, and she's been having a hard time getting "on track" and isn't exactly popular among the other people who work there. She was kinda isolated. I made a point of being nice to her, offering some advice on how to cope with the work, and being available if she needed someone to talk to or had a question.

I haven't mentioned anything about her lesbianism, or told her it's a sin, or anything like that. Will I ever? Well, if she asks me flat out, I'm not going to lie. I'll be as kind and diplomatic as possible, but I won't hide what I believe or make up a sugar-coated lie. I might invite her to church, perhaps. I don't know what the future holds, I just try to follow God's lead.

Just because I discuss the subject here, and may be outspoken in threads where people are pushing me not to believe what I believe, doesn't mean I persecute or harass gays IRL.

my little sister is a lesbian. she knows my beliefs. she also knows that i love her and always will; i was the first person she came out to. people who assume evil actions from those who hold differing beliefs are engaging in the fallacy of assumption; it's a particularly common problem with emotional issues, such as this one.

those who believe homosexual relations are sinful are no more hateful towards gays than those who believe it is not are hateful towards heteros :roll:
 
Then when I see someone like Digsbe, who is civil, honest and decent, patiently and politely explaining what he believes, only to be dogpiled by people people who can only mock, denigrate and insult him, I am disgusted beyond my capacity to express.

It's this hypocrisy that digusts me.

Consider this, digsbe gets to judge my behavior through his invisible authority and tell me that I am wrong and I am acting in a way comparable to murder and adultery.

Now I judge his behavior and indicate that I find it wrong he uses an invisible authority that clearly acts in ways that could be deemed sociopathic as his model for judging others.

Now how twisted is it that he can compare me to a murderer and adulterer and that is perfectly acceptable because those are his beliefs, but when I challenge his beliefs by attacking not him, but his invisible authority, then I have gone too far?

It is ridiculous and disgusting and I think it is simply a reflex of Christian moderators defending their own.
 
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truth. i don't know what it is about those who have decided not to follow Christianity that make some of them feel the need to attack those who do.

Maybe it has something to do with the absurd fact that Christians can attack people through their beliefs all day long, but if anyone challenges those beliefs then it is unforgivable. How nice it must be that you can attack other people's character through your God but if anyone questions the character of your God, then that is just downright uncivil and trolling! Peh, it is absolutely pathetic and it is for that exact reason I have such contempt for the religion.
 
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It is viewed as a perversion of the connection between man and woman. If one does not adhere to the Bible, then one cannot understand the scriptures within.

It's not. I'm a Christian, and I don't believe that it is.

Honestly, anyone can call themselves a Christian.
 
One could also argue as to why incest is a sin, especially if it is consensual. Who be you to tell them they are sinful? It is merely a thought.
 
telling someone the truth isn't the same as judging them in the sense that you are discussing. there is a distinction between recognizing sin in ones' actions and condeming a person.

It's the truth, from your perspective. However, you're not god, much as that might pain you.
 
truth. i don't know what it is about those who have decided not to follow Christianity that make some of them feel the need to attack those who do.

Speaking purely about your posts: arrogant blindness, self-righteousness, lack of humility, lack of kindness, lack of gentleness, and downright incivility.
 
It is viewed as a perversion of the connection between man and woman. If one does not adhere to the Bible, then one cannot understand the scriptures within.

So will you sentence children to death for being disrespectful to their parents, or do you not adhere to the bible?
 
Personally, I believe that mankind is his own worst enemy, especially in regards to our spiritual nature. We’ve allowed ourselves to justify evil according to our own preconceived notions and worldview, in spite of what the Bible teaches. Death, pain, sorrow and separation from God entered into this world by a single act of disobedience.

How many people would try to justify Eve’s action of eating the forbidden fruit? After all, it was merely an object of fascination and appeared desirable, so how could it really be wrong? When we make a conscience decision in an attempt to undermine God’s wisdom, we are walking on dangerous ground, and with it come severe penalties.

A poster in here stated: “Paul revised it in the New Testament by borrowing teleological philosophy from Aristotle and Plato to argue that homosexual behavior goes against God's design and that any sexual act outside of marriage is sinful.

This is clearly misguided and totally incorrect. Paul made it explicitly clear in the first chapter of Galatians that the gospel never came from man, but solely from Jesus Christ Himself, and that no other doctrine was to ever be accepted, even if it came from “angels!”:

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ. But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.


Homosexuality violates nature, it violates God’s design, it destroys the fruits of the nuclear family concept and if one is to really research the data (not what TV “experts” claim) into this behavior, I’m sure that most people would be absolutely appalled and repugnant by what they practice. Pedophilia happens to be directly related to homosexuality or are there any who are ignorant of the NAMBLA organizations true intent? See: Family Research Institute

Besides the Mosaic Law of the Old Testament condemning homosexuality, Paul took dead aim at this abominable sin in the 1st chapter of Romans:

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made.

So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
Should you research Satanic rituals, you will discover that they accompany numerous devious acts of homosexuality. Adolf Hitler was an adept and long-time member of the Thule Society, where horrific acts of sadistic homosexual rituals were practiced. (See Trevor Ravenscroft’s Spear of Destiny)

Aleister Crowley, a Satanist and called “The Most Evil Man in the World” was a huge proponent of homosexuality.

There should be no remaining questions in the minds of Christians of how God views sodomy, and it is pure heresy to remotely suggest that either He or His Word somehow condones it.

There is no admittance into Heaven for Homosexuals, lest there be anyone here deceived. The Bible overwhelmingly teaches that sex is ONLY to be permitted between a Man and his Wife! It cannot be justified in any conceivable manner otherwise … to a Christian that is.
 
Personally, I believe that mankind is his own worst enemy, especially in regards to our spiritual nature. We’ve allowed ourselves to justify evil according to our own preconceived notions and worldview, in spite of what the Bible teaches. Death, pain, sorrow and separation from God entered into this world by a single act of disobedience.

How many people would try to justify Eve’s action of eating the forbidden fruit? After all, it was merely an object of fascination and appeared desirable, so how could it really be wrong? When we make a conscience decision in an attempt to undermine God’s wisdom, we are walking on dangerous ground, and with it come severe penalties.

A poster in here stated: “Paul revised it in the New Testament by borrowing teleological philosophy from Aristotle and Plato to argue that homosexual behavior goes against God's design and that any sexual act outside of marriage is sinful.

This is clearly misguided and totally incorrect. Paul made it explicitly clear in the first chapter of Galatians that the gospel never came from man, but solely from Jesus Christ Himself, and that no other doctrine was to ever be accepted, even if it came from “angels!”:




Homosexuality violates nature, it violates God’s design, it destroys the fruits of the nuclear family concept and if one is to really research the data (not what TV “experts” claim) into this behavior, I’m sure that most people would be absolutely appalled and repugnant by what they practice. Pedophilia happens to be directly related to homosexuality or are there any who are ignorant of the NAMBLA organizations true intent? See: Family Research Institute

Besides the Mosaic Law of the Old Testament condemning homosexuality, Paul took dead aim at this abominable sin in the 1st chapter of Romans:


Should you research Satanic rituals, you will discover that they accompany numerous devious acts of homosexuality. Adolf Hitler was an adept and long-time member of the Thule Society, where horrific acts of sadistic homosexual rituals were practiced. (See Trevor Ravenscroft’s Spear of Destiny)

Aleister Crowley, a Satanist and called “The Most Evil Man in the World” was a huge proponent of homosexuality.

There should be no remaining questions in the minds of Christians of how God views sodomy, and it is pure heresy to remotely suggest that either He or His Word somehow condones it.

There is no admittance into Heaven for Homosexuals, lest there be anyone here deceived. The Bible overwhelmingly teaches that sex is ONLY to be permitted between a Man and his Wife! It cannot be justified in any conceivable manner otherwise … to a Christian that is.

Welcome to Christianity: Its Own Worst Enemy, 101.
 
Personally, I believe that mankind is his own worst enemy, especially in regards to our spiritual nature. We’ve allowed ourselves to justify evil according to our own preconceived notions and worldview, in spite of what the Bible teaches. Death, pain, sorrow and separation from God entered into this world by a single act of disobedience.

So, two men loving one another, or two women, results in death, pain and sorrow.

I'm sorry that you have such a distorted and negative view of the deity that you call a loving God. It makes me sad for you, in fact.

So many Christians see their faith as a religion of "no," when in reality, if you look at Christ's teaching, it is really a religion of "yes." In no way was Christ's focus on the sort of harsh, legalistic, and punitive perspectives that y'all have embraced. Instead, the ONLY COMMANDMENT HE EVER ISSUED was a simple one:

A new commandment I give unto you, That you love one another as I have loved you. By this shall all men know that you are My disciples, if you have love one for another.

It is my sincere belief that Christ came specifically to replace the failed system of legalism, rules and empty meaningless religion with something real. Don't you get it? The rules had already failed to create righteousness. Over a thousand years or more, those rules had led only to greater emptiness, self-righteousness, pride and ugliness.

Christ came to bring something better. And you're missing it. You're missing the good stuff!

And Christ's love wasn't some sort of namby pamby hearts and flowers emotion...it expressed itself through service:

Matthew 25: 31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

So tell me...are you a sheep, or a goat?

Let me put it like this. Every single gay person you encounter, whether they are online or in real life, is really Jesus in diguise. Are they strangers that you're taking in? Are they prisoners that you're visiting? Are you taking your faith in Christ, and translating it into real, loving service of other human beings?

If you can't love gays and lesbians, and I mean REALLY love them...treat them with dignity, kindness, respect, affection, support and caring, without judging them...how can you possibly claim to love Jesus Christ?

Like I said...in my view, you are missing the most important message that Jesus Christ came to bring you.
 
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Welcome to Christianity: Its Own Worst Enemy, 101.

Well only for some. It also does not say to persecute homosexuals. If this were the case we would still be stoning adulterers etc. Sexual immorality is a sin, but it means nothing outside of spiritual salvation.

In other words we all sin, but this does not make anyone evil including homosexuals etc. Does it put them in danger of hellfire? Yes. But aren't we all at some point?
 
Is my post to be critically analyzed of which I used God's Word as a significant reference, or am I the one to be childishly condemned for illustrating a 6000 year old truth? Just because Absolute Truths are ignored, does in no way reflect the notion that they do not exist. Sorry my friends, reality doesn't work that way!
 
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