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Question for people who believe being gay to be wrong

CriticalThought said:
I've always found this to be a funny retort from Christians considering they base much of their faith on "Natural Law".
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I find it funny that gay supporters never have a logical rebuttal to said retort, they just deflect and bring up some alleged flaw with christianity.
 
CriticalThought said:
And to reiterate, things have changed since Paul's times.
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eternal truths do not change with society. certainly homsexuality has been more common or openly accepted at times during which the bible was written than it is today; yet old and new testaments agree and affirm that it is unnacceptable before God (sinful) to practice it. 'things' have not changed; people are still people, men are still men, women are still women, the New Testament is still the New Testament. Homosexual relationships haven't somehow magically ceased to be sinful any more than adulterous ones have.

The Biblical laws regarding homosexuality may no longer apply. It's up to reason to decide.
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it certainly is not up to anything so frail and wavering as "what we think makes sense" to reverse something so constant throughout the Bible and so clearly in oppostion to Gods' intentions for sexuality. your arguments here (as elsewhere) appear to largely depend upon "well i think it's good and i want it, so therefore it should be".
 
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digsbe said:
For Christians, our true love should be Christ. With Christ as #1 in our hearts we should put His commands above our desires. A homosexual relationship, no matter how much the 2 involved are "in love" will still be a sin. Their sexual love for one another won't cancel out the fact that homosexuality is a sin.
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exactly. just because two people love each other in a relationship doesn't make it sin-free; adulters can love each other; adult-child relationships can love each other; polygamists can love each other; homosexuals can love each other, so on and so forth.
 
cpwill said:
exactly. just because two people love each other in a relationship doesn't make it sin-free; adulters can love each other; adult-child relationships can love each other; polygamists can love each other; homosexuals can love each other, so on and so forth.
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I love my pet goat...does that count?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
This is completely irrelevant if they are unbelievers, and in the realm of their local religious congregation's responsibility if they aren't.



This is specifically directed at believers in Christ. The religious criticism you are engaging in should occur WITHIN the community of faith, not with outsiders.

You have it backwards, bro. YOUR MISSION, as it relates to gays, is to bring the good news. It's God's job to convict them about their sin and bring them to repentence.

The sermon that Paul delivered in Acts 17 is a good example. Paul was appalled by the Athenians worship of idols. But, he didn't say, "You dolts, you idolators, you SINNERS!"

Instead, he said, "I'm here to bring you what you've been waiting for."

Acts 17 - Passage Lookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com

It's a beautiful passage, you should read it sometime.

The message of Christ is reconciliation. It's God's job to deal with sin...not yours. Your job is to be like Christ.
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Why are you making assumptions that he goes around telling gays they're living in sin?

A co-worker of mine is a lesbian. In point of fact, I knew this because I know her family. She hasn't been at the office long, and she's been having a hard time getting "on track" and isn't exactly popular among the other people who work there. She was kinda isolated. I made a point of being nice to her, offering some advice on how to cope with the work, and being available if she needed someone to talk to or had a question.

I haven't mentioned anything about her lesbianism, or told her it's a sin, or anything like that. Will I ever? Well, if she asks me flat out, I'm not going to lie. I'll be as kind and diplomatic as possible, but I won't hide what I believe or make up a sugar-coated lie. I might invite her to church, perhaps. I don't know what the future holds, I just try to follow God's lead.

Just because I discuss the subject here, and may be outspoken in threads where people are pushing me not to believe what I believe, doesn't mean I persecute or harass gays IRL.
 
do you have sex with it?
 
OscarB63 said:
I find it funny that gay supporters never have a logical rebuttal to said retort, they just deflect and bring up some alleged flaw with christianity.
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Natural law is whatever the contemporary society says it is, bro. ;) It doesn't need a retort.
 
OscarB63 said:
I love my pet goat...does that count?
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If you want to form a permanent, mutually satisfying relationship with your goat, I'm certainly not going to stop you...as long as I can be sure it's truly consensual.
 
Goshin said:
Just because I discuss the subject here, and may be outspoken in threads where people are pushing me not to believe what I believe, doesn't mean I persecute or harass gays IRL.
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quote of the day, week and month. many thanks Goshin
 
Catz Part Deux said:
If you want to form a permanent, mutually satisfying relationship with your goat, I'm certainly not going to stop you...as long as I can be sure it's truly consensual.
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ask the goat. she will tell you it's not baaaaaad.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
It's also a strawman. No one claimed Digsbe was harassing people in real life. Fail.
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but that insinuation is almost always made. honesty is the best policy
 
Catz Part Deux said:
If you want to form a permanent, mutually satisfying relationship with your goat, I'm certainly not going to stop you...as long as I can be sure it's truly consensual.
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Animals cannot give legal consent.
 
Ikari said:
Animals cannot give legal consent.
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they can't give consent for us to kill and eat them either... :shrug:

sadly funny. you can kill and eat a cow...but you can't **** it. I wonder which act is more harmful to the cow?
 
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OscarB63 said:
they can't give consent for us to kill and eat them either... :shrug:

sadly funny. you can kill and eat a cow...but you can't **** it
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They wouldn't taste so good if they didn't want that to happen ;)
 
Your Star said:
They wouldn't taste so good if they didn't want that to happen ;)
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they wouldn't have such purty mouths if they didn't want us to have sex with them :shock:
 
OscarB63 said:
they can't give consent for us to kill and eat them either... :shrug:

sadly funny. you can kill and eat a cow...but you can't **** it. I wonder which act is more harmful to the cow?
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No person can give legal consent for you to kill them either. But people can give legal consent for you to have sex with them, as long as they are deemed, by the law, to be of legal age and/or mental competence.
 
roguenuke said:
No person can give legal consent for you to kill them either. But people can give legal consent for you to have sex with them, as long as they are deemed, by the law, to be of legal age and/or mental competence.
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you apparently miss or ignore the irony. animals are not people. If we don't legally require consent to kill them...why the hell should we require legal consent to **** them? I would think that sexing up an animal would be much less detrimental to its health than killing it. :shrug:

but wait.....society and the bible think that sex with animals is wrong and disgusting. hey guess what, wasn't too long ago that society and the bible thought that homosexuality was wrong and disgusting.

point being, what is or is not socially/legally acceptable is relative. unless you care to believe in a God there are no absolutes.
 
OscarB63 said:
you apparently miss or ignore the irony. animals are not people. If we don't legally require consent to kill them...why the hell should we require legal consent to **** them?
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Actually the law varies from state to state in regards to boinking a cow.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
It's also a strawman. No one claimed Digsbe was harassing people in real life. Fail.
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You implied it rather strongly, ma'am.


I get really tired of being as civil as I know how to be in these religion-related threads, and being greeted in turn with mockery, sarcasm, implied slurs, thinly-veiled insults, borderline trolling and other crap.

Then when I see someone like Digsbe, who is civil, honest and decent, patiently and politely explaining what he believes, only to be dogpiled by people people who can only mock, denigrate and insult him, I am disgusted beyond my capacity to express.

Say what you will, but you can say it to my back; I'm done with this thread.
 
OscarB63 said:
it is somewhat disturbing that you know this... :vomit:
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Oh BTW tonights topic in "Beastality for fun and profit" will be when to spank or not spank your monkey. See you there as usual:mrgreen:
 
OscarB63 said:
definitely a "pro-gay" crowd, you've seen em...the screaming in your face flamers.

there was a time (and it still is in many parts of the world) when just about everybody was anti-gay. so, playing devil's advocate, that shoots down that arguement against incest as well.

if you take the "making retarded babies" bit out of the discussion (which can be done using birth control) there is no arguement you can make against incest that cannot also be equally applied against homosexuality. there is no arguement you can make for homosexuality that you can't also make for incest.

just saying... it's all about social acceptability. why is one, once "disgusting", practice now acceptable and another is not?
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You sure you don't have a sister? ;)

I guess you are right. The flamers are so over the top, that it is pro-gay, and not just about acceptance. I knew many many MANY flamers, having lived in San Fran and Laguna (S Cals gay San Fran). It was a very insightful experience.
 
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