Yes I have, you refuse to listen.
Where have you tried to show how homosexuality fits into the Golden rule?
The commandment is to "do to others what you would have them do to you."
This means that for anything to be a sin you must show that it is not something the person would want done to them.
Take the following example. "You wouldn't want someone to murder you, so murdering them is a sin."
Now try it with homosexuality. "You wouldn't want another man having sex with you, so having sex with him is a sin."
This clearly doesn't work, because gay men do want another man to have sex with them. Ergo, they are doing to others what they would have done to them. Since they were commanded to do to others as they would have done to them, they are fulfilling the law and the prophets by doing so.
You claim to have shown how homosexuality breaks the golden rule, but I have no idea where you even think you did so. Make it easy for me. Fill in the blanks here:
"I think homosexuality breaks the golden rule because homosexuals _______ each other, when they wouldn't want the same done to them."
Of course you are trying to bend the word so it means something it does not.
Which particular word am I trying to bend? Homosexual? That word wasn't straight to begin with.
Jesus (as we have discussed) not only affirmed the prohibition against adultery, he clarified and expanded it beyond the physical act of sex to include sexual lust: lust and adultery are the same sin. Of course if the adulterer is following the golden rule without excepting Christ or being repentant he is good to go according to you.
No. I wouldn't want my girlfriend to cheat on me, so it is a sin for me to cheat on her. I wouldn't want her to even lust after other guys, so it is a sin for me to lust after other women. Jesus is once again consistent with the Golden Rule. Now try doing the same thing with homosexuality.
Jesus was absolutely correct. But treating others as you wish to be treated has nothing to do with partaking of or condoning sin.
How can you possibly say that? Give me your definition of sin.
Jesus shows us exactly how we need to obey God in this area. Plucking out an eye etc. illustrated two things: the seriousness of sin, which God's people should avoid. Jesus says sin is deadly serious. Not one time but twice, he stressed that hell was to be avoided at all costs. The metaphors of plucking out an eye and cutting off a hand illustrate how people could avoid adultery or lust: remove themselves from any situation where they might be tempted. If there is anything in your life that causes you to lust or tempts you to consider indulging in any extra-marital sexual activity, then that thing should be removed from your life, period
Sin is bad. I get it. Now show that homosexuality is a sin according to Jesus.
I have above and many times before, but you don't want to see it
Do you actually think that you demonstrated that homosexuality is a sin above? I have no idea which part of your post you even think did such a thing?
Lets try out some of your premises here:
"Yes I have, you refuse to listen. Of course you are trying to bend the word so it means something it does not." Therefore homosexuality is a sin.
"Jesus (as we have discussed) not only affirmed the prohibition against adultery, he clarified and expanded it beyond the physical act of sex to include sexual lust: lust and adultery are the same sin." Therefore homosexuality is a sin.
"Jesus was absolutely correct. But treating others as you wish to be treated has nothing to do with partaking of or condoning sin." Therefore homosexuality is a sin.
I just don't see how any of these even address the question at all.
Jesus did always follow mosaic law and says so...
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
Of course Jesus is God and perfect. So he did not need the law and was able to forgive and heal directly.
Well then, I guess He was lying then wasn't He? Because Mosaic law says it is a sin to touch a leper, and Jesus touched a leper. You can't say that it was ok for Him to touch the leper because God is above the law, and also say that He followed the law. Which was it? Did Jesus follow the law that says not to touch lepers, or didn't He?
I have a theory that the Law Jesus was talking about following was God's Law, (the Golden Rule) as opposed to Moses' law (don't menstruate or eat bacon). This being the case, Jesus did indeed follow God's law by doing to others as He would have done to Him, and broke Mosaic law by touching lepers, gathering food on Sabbath, healing on Sabbath, eating things that were 'unclean' etc...
As for grasp, not really. You are trying to change definitions of words etc. to make what you want to fit the Bible, and it does not work that way.
Which words do you think I am trying to change the definition of?
No I have not. You don't like my answers or just ignore the scripture or reasoning.
Which scripture do you imagine I am ignoring?
I do treat others as I want to be treated. As I have shown many times now, condoning immorality or sin is not part of it. You have ignored my examples of why this does not work etc.
Do you think gay people should do to others as they would have done to them?
I am absolutely a Christian, and unlike you I actually follow what Christ said. While you state heresy that makes little sense. We were warned about people like this...
What do you imagine Christ said that you follow and I do not?
2 Timothy 4:3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth , and be turned aside to fables.
That is exactly what the church does. In fact, in 1 Timothy it gives some more specifics about what these false doctrines entail...
"The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3
They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth."
Who is trying to forbid gay folk from marrying? That would be the teachers of false doctrine.
Those were his exact words, but again you are trying to redifine words to mean what you want.
Which word exactly do you imagine I am trying to redefine?
Here is a good example of you ignoring my point and just attacking one small line. This was the full comment...
I guess God waisted his time explaining all that when all you have to do is be nice to people and you get to heaven. I mean really, that pretty much sums up your argument. - Blackdog
What did God waist[sic] His time explaining? The we should love each other? That we should treat each other like we want to be treated? That we should be righteous not only outwardly, but in our hearts? That was really all He spent His time explaining to people. He also gave some examples of what the coming Kingdom of God would be like. I missed the part where he explained that sin was arbitrary and the gay was bad for some inexplicable reason, and you have yet to produce it.
Being respectful, loving and treating others well does not mean it is OK to condone or otherwise perpetuate sin.
There is only one sin, and that sin is the sin of not loving your neighbor. If you love your neighbor, you will treat him as you want to be treated. If you are respectful, and loving toward your neighbor, then it is impossible for you to perpetuate sin.
"For the
entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” -Galatians 5:14
"Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." -Romans 13:8-10
Jesus is the only way to the father and without living in Him, you can't attain grace. This pretty much in itself blows your just be nice to everyone out of the water.
Fixed it for you.
You don't, and I have shown this a few time now.
Where have you shown that?
I am correct and have shown it. Your argument is as empty as your trying to redefine words to suit your purposes.
Which words am I trying to redefine?
You are trying to lead people down a road that will most likely end in damnation.
No, you are.
f you go by scripture and not ignore 90% of the Bible in the process.
The Bible isn't God. Only God is perfect. Therefore, the Bible isn't perfect.
