Is the Bible Infallible?

Tucker Case · 06-25-09, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tlmorg02

Beat me to it, teachers pet!!!!

It's all part of Satan's divine and inspired plan for me:

Excretions 14:37 And Tucker Shalt quote the bible before a Christian causing the water of the Nile to run slightly faster than normal which will lead a crocodile to travel 6 feet further downstream which shalt startle a bird which shall then poop on the head of a Christian.

scourge99 · 06-25-09, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tucker Case

"Go to hell, it's better than nothing"~ Tucker Case's "Atheists for an Afterlife" motto

My God only allows true atheists to go to heaven as a reward. Everyone else is turned into nothingness by God after they die as punishment.

tlmorg02 · 06-25-09, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tucker Case

It's all part of Satan's divine and inspired plan for me:

Excretions 14:37 And Tucker Shalt quote the bible before a Christian causing the water of the Nile to run slightly faster than normal which will lead a crocodile to travel 6 feet further downstream which shalt startle a bird which shall then poop on the head of a Christian.

So that explains it!!! Got a napkin?

Tucker Case · 06-25-09, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scourge99

My God only allows true atheists to go to heaven as a reward. Everyone else is turned into nothingness by God after they die as punishment.

LOL. You may now enter the Divine Church of Atheists for an Afterlife. (You get to be a Cardinal)

Lachean · 06-25-09, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry

I never claimed the bible was infallible.

That's the topic. If you agree that the Bible is not the infallible word of god, then we're clear.

Lachean · 06-25-09, 04:01 PM

Off Topic Post

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Originally Posted by Jerry

Quite well, actually:

Pallys also have a spell to deflect movement impairing effects for 10 seconds.

And then there's PvP trinkets, free action pots, etc.

Did I mention that I can stun you back?

Sure, you'll get a hit in, maybe 2, but a lock doesn't typically win 1v1 against a pally. That's why they bring a pet DK

Most people blow their PVP trinkets on my instant cast 3 second fear that I open with. If they happen to break the 1st Fear, no big deal.

I haven't lost to a single pally that wasn't at least 10 levels my senior, I own them in PVP encounters. The only class that has given my Lock any trouble is a feral druid.

Also, who needs a DK? They're cake.

Jerry · 06-25-09, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tucker Case

"Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Do I get an A in bible study now?

Better:

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Originally Posted by Alex

Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people
regarding God's law. I've learned a great deal from you,
and I try to share that knowledge with as many
people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply
remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it
to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding
some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

I have to start by stating the obvious;

I am not Dr. Laura. I can not answer this letter on her behalf.

Additionally, I am not a Jew. I am a Christian, and as such my answers will reflect a Christian perspective. You will need to solicit the input from a Jew if you want answers which do not include the NT or Jesus.

Given that the author identifies them self as a "bible reader" and not a "Torah reader", I suspect that Christian answers will do just fine.

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Originally Posted by Alex

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know
it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The
problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not
pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

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Leviticus 1:9;
9 He is to wash the inner parts and the legs with water, and the priest is to burn all of it on the altar. It is a burnt offering, an offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD.

Although I am curious both in why you live at the Tent of Meeting, and in who lives next you in Israel who objects so, those are not issues for this thread.

You have not needed to make burnt offerings for 2,000 years. I suggest you deal with the situation by stopping, especially if you're not a priest of the tribe of Levi, since they are the ones who actually burn the offering.

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Originally Posted by Alex

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it
suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what
do you think would be a fair price for her?

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Exodus 21:7;
7 "If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do.

First it should be noted that far from endorsing the virtues of slavery, the bible denounces slavery as a sin. The NT goes so far as to put slave traders in the same category as murderers, adulterers, perverts and liars:

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1 Timothy 1: 8-11;
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that law[a] is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Furthermore, slavery in the OT is sanctioned due to economic realities rather than racial or sexual practices. Because bankruptcy laws did not exist (other than forgiving a debt after 7 years), people could voluntarily sell themselves into slavery to pay their debt. A thief could pay restitution by serving as a slave (Exodus 22:3).

Finally, while the bible as a whole recognizes the reality of slavery it never promotes the practice of slavery.

All people are created by God with innate equality (Genesis 1:27; Acts 17:26-28; Galatians 3:28)

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Originally Posted by Alex

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman
while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness
(Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I
have tried asking, but most women seem to take offense.

Look in the bathroom garbage can.

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Originally Posted by Alex

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the
nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that
this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Please clarify?
It says, also, that if I hit my slaves I shouldn't kill
them, as it ruins them for work purposes--but it's fine with
God if I maim them a little, putting them at death's door--
so long as I get another days work out of them...What's the
best method?

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44 " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

That passage only applied to Israel, and only under the old covenant.
It has no application today.

Other than that, see slavery above.

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Originally Posted by Alex

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the
Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be
put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

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Exodus 35:2;
2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

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Matthew 12: 1-8;
1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath."
3 He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that one[a] greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

Leave your EMT neighbor alone, but if he does sin, it is between him and God under the new covenant.

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Originally Posted by Alex

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish
is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination
than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

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Leviticus 10:10;
10 You must distinguish between the holy and the common, between the unclean and the clean,

The author should be careful not to misreference scripture in the future.

The relevant passage is...

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Leviticus 11:10;
10 But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales—whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water—you are to detest.

As to rather this is a greater or lesser sin than homosexuality....

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James 2: 8-11;
8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder."[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

To answer the question: Neither.

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Originally Posted by Alex

Lev. 21:18-23 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that
I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have
to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

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Leviticus 21: 18-23;
18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. 21 No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. 22 He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 23 yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the LORD, who makes them holy.

Unless you are a priest of the tribe of Levi, non of this applies to you.

If you are a priest of the tribe of Levi, then all of this applies, assuming Jews are still making burnt offerings and such.

If you are a priest of the tribe of Levi and you are making burnt offerings, you need to know that you don't have to do that anymore; not for 2,000 years.

Jerry · 06-25-09, 04:03 PM

In addition, from jokes > J Kent Ashcraft: an open letter to Dr. Laura

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h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

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Leviticus 19:27;
27 " 'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

Anyone who cuts their hair or shaves outside of ritual cleaning is worthy of death.

Given that Jesus already died in their place, the debt for the sin is owed to Jesus, not God, and Jesus demands payment in the form of grace, not blood.
Therefore there is to be no execution, but forgiveness and tolerance.

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i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

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Leviticus 11:6-8;
6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

This law speaks of "Clean and Unclean Food", so unless you intend to eat the football, which even most atheists would not recommend, there is no problem here. You may touch pigskin with your bear hand.

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j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14 )

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Leviticus 19:19;
19 " 'Keep my decrees.
" 'Do not mate different kinds of animals.
" 'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
" 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

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Leviticus 24:10-16;
10 Now the son of an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father went out among the Israelites, and a fight broke out in the camp between him and an Israelite. 11 The son of the Israelite woman blasphemed the Name with a curse; so they brought him to Moses. (His mother's name was Shelomith, the daughter of Dibri the Danite.) 12 They put him in custody until the will of the LORD should be made clear to them. 13 Then the LORD said to Moses: 14 "Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him. 15 Say to the Israelites: 'If anyone curses his God, he will be held responsible; 16 anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.

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Leviticus 20:14;
14 " 'If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.

All who brake these laws are worthy of death.

Given that Jesus already died in their place, the debt for the sin is owed to Jesus, not God, and Jesus demands payment in the form of grace, not blood.
Therefore there is to be no stoning or burning, but forgiveness and tolerance.

Lachean · 06-25-09, 04:07 PM

"Therefore there is to be no execution, but forgiveness and tolerance."

So rather than accepting that the alleged sin was ridiculous, you want people to accept guilt and require tolerance for a shave and a hair cut? Did someone really have to be crucified so that we could be forgiven for our good grooming? Was it ever moral to execute a man for a clean shave?

By the way I just picked one @ random. Oooh, can I cite a verse and have you explain to me how it is not wrong or immoral?

Alfons · 06-25-09, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry

I know that he did not, yes.

Your opinion is wrong.

Has the Old Testament ?law? been abolished? Thy Word is Truth!

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