Rationalists/Atheists: Don’t Too Readily Dismiss the Believer

DarkWizard12 · 12-15-08, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 1069

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Actually, he seems to be saying that he only wants to hang out with folks who hate their mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters, wives and children- not to mention, themselves.
There is, I wouldn't be surprised to learn, some story behind this.

Ah, sorry, brainfart.

Here is the answer. I actually researched this!

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He said that a person’s enemies would be within their own family. Some will even think that they’re doing a God service by challenging you ...

John 16:2
They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Jesus explains that He didn’t come to bring peace on earth, but rather, division. The father against the son, and the mother against the daughter.

Luke 12:53
The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Why? To prove who is devoted to Him.

Jesus said that when things happen to us because of our belief in Him, we’re blessed, and we’ll be rewarded in Heaven.

Matthew 5:11-12
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Jesus said that if we love our father or mother more than Him, we’re not worthy of Him.

Matthew 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Luke words this a little differently, saying that if we don’t hate our mother, father, wife, children, brothers and sisters and our own life also, we can’t be His disciples.

Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple

Whoa! Hate is a pretty strong word, you may be thinking, and just the opposite of what Jesus taught when He said, (Matthew 19:19) Honor your father and mother, and LOVE your neighbor as yourself. What Jesus was doing when He said those things, was making a point, that He doesn’t want a bunch of followers who are half heartedly loyal, He wants total devotion. That doesn’t mean that everyone who follows Christ should abandon their family and friends or quit their job (although in some instances, it may be necessary), but rather, don’t ever let them become your priority over Him. And that hate part . . . that’s referring to the worldly things about them, not their righteous qualities.

Another thing Jesus said, is that there is nobody that has left house or family or homes for His sake and the Gospel’s, that wont receive a hundred times as much in the world to come

Mark 10:29
Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's.

Remember that Jesus said that those who do the will of His Father ARE HIS mother and brother and sister,

Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in Heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Defending Your Faith

EgoffTib · 12-15-08, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12

So, Jesus doesn't like people who hate their mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters...what a coincedence, me neither.

Did you somehow misunderstand those verses?

scourge99 · 12-15-08, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wyoguy

Slander.
Back it up.

BibleGateway.com - Passage*Lookup: John 2;

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Jesus Clears the Temple

12After this he went down to Capernaum with his mother and brothers and his disciples. There they stayed for a few days.

13When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"

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And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

16And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

This is the part where you attempt to justify it.....

Graffight · 12-15-08, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by scourge99

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This is the part where you attempt to justify it.....

nobody refuted that he did that...it's the drunken part i question...

Graffight · 12-15-08, 11:54 PM

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