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The bible teaches us to love the way Jesus Loved...

I'm not an expert on the bible, but this is old testament law. These rules are nullified by Jesus' law. In addition many of these laws existed, but were dramatic changes from what the laws and rules used to be. You used to be able to kill your children for looking at you wrong, but the new law required you to have a hearing before killing your child/wife for doing something they were not supposed to do, and i believe that there are no known historical records of any wife or child being killed this way under the law...


This one would take quite a while to explain, but the short answer is that God had his chosen people...if you ask why one group of people were chosen i cannot answer that, i'm not an expert and i haven't done the research on that yet...But God led his chosen people from place to place he said people...don't do these things that the people of the land are doing or else i'll give you over to their hands....after a great many years of his people being oppressed and tortured and mistreated he said i forgive you and i will give your enemies over to you in a way that you will know that i am God...this happened over and over and over again...God told his people to kill everyone who did not follow the law because those people were not willing to change and he did not want those people's ideology to infect his chosen...This all stopped in the new testament, after Jesus was born not one instance of this happened again, because All people were from that time forward God's chosen people through the blood of Jesus Christ.

Again old testament law...not the law we follow as Christians...Christian means to be Christ like...Christ did not do these things.

No, Jesus' Life is the example of God's love in the bible. God sent his own son to live a perfect life and be tortured and killed in order to allow all people to come to God instead of just his "chosen"

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EgoffTib

Here are some Jesus quotes for you... he sounds like a great guy :

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 10:35-36 I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace: I came not to send peace but a sword.

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DarkWizard12

So, Jesus doesn't like people who hate their mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters...what a coincedence, me neither.

scourge99

Let's not forget his drunken rampage through the temple with a bullwhip. :

Jesus was just trying to "teach" people. right....

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wyoguy

Wowzers Shaggy.... this might just be the most disjointed and ignorance filled thread yet. I'm betting that Old Man Skreally, the lighthouse keeper, is at the root of all this.

Time to face the facts, fellow Christians....

The anti-Christians are way more adept at this game than we.

They have dedicated hours upon hours of study to learn just enough scripture to refute it. How are you going to argue against logic like that? I can't.

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wyoguy

Slander.
Back it up.

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obvious Child

Come again? What reason exists to believe? There is no evidence for a deity or set of deities. How can someone look for reasons not to believe when there are no hard reasons TO believe?

There is no good reason to believe in your God over any other or any God for that matter. Belief effectively comes down to believing because you want to believe.

As for the closed eyes and closed minds, care to discuss literal creationists who go about their lives denying the very fabric of society in which they live?

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obvious Child

I find it incredibly disturbing that you consider questions regarding potential problems in your belief system is to be disjointed and ignorant.

To be more accurate, it's not just your belief. It's faith in general.

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1069

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Actually, he seems to be saying that he only wants to hang out with folks who hate their mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters, wives and children- not to mention, themselves.
There is, I wouldn't be surprised to learn, some story behind this.

Unrein

No one has a 'clear, dependable context by which to understand, process, and experience all of his emotions.' Emotions are reactions to the unknown, the unprocessed and misunderstood; no amount of belief in fairy tales will give you a better handle on them than those who lack such belief.

Also, is this guy reffering to "rationalists" as in the philosophical position (Descates, Kant, etc.) or is he simply reffering to people who consider themselves 'rational'?