Thread: Is there a line? (extending help to someone)

Originally Posted by ecofarm

I need equal rights and justice.

Just not for panhandlers, huh?

I don't see how equal rights or justice is served by supporting begging. Seems to me they're getting about what they got rights to and deserve. Where do you see unequal rights or injustice in not giving to a begger? Do they have rights to my stuff? Or perhaps justice demands I give my stuff away randomly? What kind of socialist equal "rights" (read: outcome) and "justice" (read: class warfare) are you on about? Are you becoming a Trots?

Originally Posted by ecofarm

Where do you see unequal rights or injustice in not giving to a begger? Do they have rights to my stuff? Or perhaps justice demands I give my stuff away randomly?

How can you ask questions about justice when you haven't defined justice yet? What does justice mean to someone who only values themselves?

I value others. I also recognize that I do things that make me happy, and I do things for that reason alone.



Now explain to me again how equal rights or justice is served by random and repetitive welfare, from either side of the exchange.

Originally Posted by ecofarm

I value others. I also recognize that I do things that make me happy, and I do things for that reason alone.

Why do you value others? Merely because they make you happy? So, when another stops making you happy, you stop valuing them, is that correct? I don't want to put words in your mouth.

Valuing others is not contingent on altruism. I'm not interested in this lame smear of an attempt to sidetrack, as if I'm the most super-selfish person in the world.


Now, are you going to explain how random and unending welfare serves equal rights or justice?

Originally Posted by ecofarm

I'm not interested in this lame smear of an attempt to sidetrack.

Not at all. Does this mean that you value others for some reason other than that they make you happy? That even when others cease making you happy then you still value them?

Originally Posted by Guy Incognito

Not at all. Does this mean that you value others for some reason other than that they make you happy? That even when others cease making you happy then you still value them?

Do you value a genocidal, racist, serial killing child rapist? I appreciate perspectives and biodiversity as much as the next guy, but any given individual can be rendered unimportant personally and I would hope socially.

Do you think that every person, no matter what, is valuable?

Originally Posted by ecofarm

Do you value a genocidal, racist, serial killing child rapist?

Why shouldn't I?

For the same reason that it is foolish to care about an individual and endemic species. Some things just aren't useful and they go away. Such is change and change is good. I'm against the death penalty, but I see no value in a gruesome and unrepentant criminal.

You can value terrorists, if you like. I'm sure the great sky budda will approve.

Originally Posted by Guy Incognito

Just not for panhandlers, huh?

So are you going to explain that, comrade?