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Donald Rumsfeld blamed for failing to kill cornered Osama bin Laden

Re: Rumsfeld let Osama get away

ok this isn't news. everybody with a brain cell knew Bush didn't want to capture Osama because then he couldn't have his war on terror so his buddies could make money.

but now they're actually publishing a report about it:

WAR OF TERROR: Donald Rumsfeld blamed for failing to kill cornered Osama bin Laden - ROGUEGOVERNMENT.COM



That is ridiculous.

Little would've changed regarding Afghanistan, the Taliban, and Al Queda even if Bin Laden had been killed or captured.

It might've even been worse.
 
Re: Rumsfeld let Osama get away

That is ridiculous.

Little would've changed regarding Afghanistan, the Taliban, and Al Queda even if Bin Laden had been killed or captured.

It might've even been worse.

didn't you friend Bush say that Al Qaeda moved to Iraq and we have to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here ?

according to your logic then if 9-11 never happened nothing would have changed either right ? why then did Bush have to take those buildings down ?
 
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didn't you friend Bush say that Al Qaeda moved to Iraq and we have to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here ?

according to your logic then if 9-11 never happened nothing would have changed either right ? why then did Bush have to take those buildings down ?

Bin Laden was the spiritual leader of Al Queda. Not operational.

And the U.S. was going to invade Iraq eventually regardless of 9-11.

In 2000, Bush was reported in National Review to have said that

"he would consider his presidency a failure if Saddam Hussein was still in power when he left office"
 
Re: Rumsfeld let Osama get away

Children play this "blame game"; adults learn from mistakes and improve.
 
Re: Rumsfeld let Osama get away

The conclusions about the costs of failure to get bin Laden at Tora Bora seem fair enough.

Excerpted from “TORA BORA REVISITED: HOW WE FAILED TO GET BIN LADEN AND WHY IT MATTERS TODAY (pdf),” COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
UNITED STATES SENATE, NOVEMBER 30, 2009
[SIZE="+2"]O[/SIZE]sama bin Laden’s demise would not have erased the worldwide threat from extremists. But the failure to kill or capture him has allowed bin Laden to exert a malign influence over events in the region and nearly 60 countries where his followers have established extremist groups. History shows that terrorist groups are invariably much stronger with their charismatic leaders than without them, and the ability of bin Laden and his terrorist organization to recover from the loss of their Afghan sanctuary reinforces the lesson. Eight years after its expulsion from Afghanistan, Al Qaeda has reconstituted itself and bin Laden has survived to inspire a new generation of extremists who have adopted and adapted the Al Qaeda doctrine and are now capable of attacking from any number of places. The impact of this threat is greatest in Pakistan, where Al Qaeda’s continued presence and resources have emboldened domestic extremists waging an increasingly bloody insurrection that threatens the stability of the government and the region. Its training camps also have spawned new attacks outside the region—militants trained in Pakistan were tied to the July 2005 transit system bombings in London and several aborted plots elsewhere in Europe.

Closer to home, the Federal Bureau of Investigation says two recent suspected plots disrupted by U.S. authorities involved longtime residents of the United States who had traveled to Pakistan and trained at bases affiliated with Al Qaeda. One of the plots involved two Chicago men accused in late October of planning to attack the Danish newspaper that published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad. In the other, an Afghan-born man who drove a shuttle bus in Denver was arrested on suspicion of plans to detonate improvised explosives in the United States. Court papers said the man had been trained in weapons and explosives in Pakistan and had made nine pages of handwritten notes on how to make and handle bombs.

For American taxpayers, the financial costs of the conflict have been staggering. The first eight years cost an estimated $243 billion and about $70 billion has been appropriated for the current fiscal year—a figure that does not include any increase in troops. But the highest price is being paid on a daily basis in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where 68,000 American troops and hundreds of U.S. civilians are engaged in the ninth year of a protracted conflict and the Afghan people endure a third decade of violence. So far, about 950 U.S. troops and nearly 600 allied soldiers have lost their lives in Operation Enduring Freedom, a conflict in which the outcome remains in grave doubt in large part because the extremists behind the violence were not eliminated in 2001.
 
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That is ridiculous.
Little would've changed regarding Afghanistan, the Taliban, and Al Queda even if Bin Laden had been killed or captured.
It might've even been worse.
Yes, but why waste an opportunity to show everyone that you're still afflicted with BDS?
 
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That is ridiculous.

Little would've changed regarding Afghanistan, the Taliban, and Al Queda even if Bin Laden had been killed or captured.

It might've even been worse.

What's ridiculous is letting him get away.
 
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UBL has been dead for years.
 
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UBL has been dead for years.

Probably the third most likely scenario.

1) Alive in Western China
2) Incapacitated in FATA
3) Dead from Typhoid or wound.
 
DONC posted (
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UBL has been dead for years.

Gotta have a death certificate. )

Why do we need a Death certificate?
We in the US have a President without a Birth Certificate
 
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What's ridiculous is letting him get away.

I'll say. :roll:

source

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
Sudan offered up the terrorist and data on his network. The then-president and his advisors didn't respond.


By MANSOOR IJAZ
President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.
I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.

From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.

Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.

The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening.

As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.

Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.

The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his activities and associates......
 
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DONC posted (
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Originally Posted by apdst View Post
UBL has been dead for years.

Gotta have a death certificate. )

Why do we need a Death certificate?
We in the US have a President without a Birth Certificate

Kinda looks like a job opportunity for Orliy doesn't it?Maybe it will help her pay down the 20 k fine that she got hit with a few weeks ago.:2wave:
 
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Translation: political correctness.
Actually it translates to the fact that Clinton did not "ignore" opportunities to capture OBL, as the article you quoted dishonestly stated.
 
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Actually it translates to the fact that Clinton did not "ignore" opportunities to capture OBL, as the article you quoted dishonestly stated.

No dishonesty here or in the article. In point of fact osama bin laden was a "known" threat to the security of the us. This was known at the time. This is why the sudanese offered to "help" us by either watching his moves or giving him to the saudi's. Both offers were declined. Why? Being watched by the sudanese authorities isn't a violation of us constitutional law. Neither is giving him to saudi authorities.
 
Political correctness? Excuse you. You just tried to make a quantum physical argument for liberalism affecting the organizational output of our national security organs.

I'm sure the joint chiefs are a bunch of politically correct liberal bastards too.

More like a lack of political will...
 
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