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Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups?

Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups?

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    Votes: 6 13.6%
  • No

    Votes: 34 77.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 4 9.1%

  • Total voters
    44

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Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups? Arresting and detaining leaders of these groups, freezing assets, shutting down websites, and other means of stopping these groups from spreading their hate?
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Define hate.
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Define hate.



I'm afraid that the definition of "hate" would end up being the domain of those running the wealthy & influential "Professionally & Selectively Offended" Industries

I can almost hear the First Amendment being ground to bits in the shredder if anything like this becomes law.


Thanks
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups? Arresting and detaining leaders of these groups, freezing assets, shutting down websites, and other means of stopping these groups from spreading their hate?
Um, if they have committed crimes like these terrorists, actions meant to cause harm and to intimidate a population....well then of course.

That is a bit of a no-brainer.
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Define hate.

White Nationalist groups, KKK, New Black Panthers, Conservative Citizens, Aryan Nation, or any other groups that promote hate and encourage others to perpetrate hate against others.
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Um, if they have committed crimes like these terrorists, actions meant to cause harm and to intimidate a population....well then of course.

That is a bit of a no-brainer.

Dont these groups do that?
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Dont these groups do that?
Instead of posting a vague, undefined claim, would you kindly post a clear complete thought so I don't have to get you to clarify?
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

If these groups are using violence or threats of violence, then they are terrorists. Unfortunately, some kinds of terrorism are a part of "traditional" values.
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups? Arresting and detaining leaders of these groups, freezing assets, shutting down websites, and other means of stopping these groups from spreading their hate?

Nope.People have the right to free speech in the US.We are not Canada, or some euro-trash country that sucks the testicles of special interests groups by making it illegal to offend those special interest groups. If want to treat hate groups the same way we do terrorists then how about the occu-tards and other leftists who hate rich people, the agitators in Ferguson and other states encouraging riots?How about the Code Pink moonbats who hate the military?
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

White Nationalist groups, KKK, New Black Panthers, Conservative Citizens, Aryan Nation, or any other groups that promote hate and encourage others to perpetrate hate against others.

What about the Black Panthers, La Raza, Nation of Islam, the Obama administration, etc? They promote hate...regularly
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Nope.People have the right to free speech in the US.
Terrorism is not free speech.
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Terrorism is not free speech.

Being hate group is not terrorism.If you are a occu-tard who hates rich people then you are free to hate all the rich people you want.Terrorism is the act or threat of violence used to coerce or intimidate people into doing something you want. If a occu-tard killed a wallstreet banker simply we because that occu-tard hates rich people then it is not a act of terrorism.Now if that occu-tard killed that wall-street banker with the hopes of intimidating or coercing other wall-street bankers into doing something that furthers the political goals of the occu-tard movement want then that would be terrorism.
 
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Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups? Arresting and detaining leaders of these groups, freezing assets, shutting down websites, and other means of stopping these groups from spreading their hate?



domestic? US citizens?


OH hell no.


 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups? Arresting and detaining leaders of these groups, freezing assets, shutting down websites, and other means of stopping these groups from spreading their hate?

would depend on the hate group, are the guilty of crimes? and what do you mean pursue?

The Family Research Council and Westboro Baptist are hate groups . . . I dont want the government doing anything to them out of the normal unless they are guilty of crimes
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

If we did that, about next Tuesday "hate groups" would be defined as "everyone who disagrees with the administration."



Drone attacks on the RNC maybe.


have you SEEN how broadly the SPLC classifies hate groups??
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Being hate group is not terrorism.If you are a occu-tard who hates rich people then you are free to hate all the rich people you want.
The OP equated an undefined group as a terrorist org, you only achieve that status by engaging in criminal activity causing harm and intimidating a population. If they have committed terrorist acts, they do not have free speech rights, terrorism is not free speech.

The OP in effect created a truism.
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

The OP equated an undefined group as a terrorist org, you only achieve that status by engaging in criminal activity causing harm and intimidating a population. If they have committed terrorist acts, they do not have free speech rights, terrorism is not free speech.

The OP in effect created a truism.
He said hate groups.He did not say hate groups that do terrorist acts.
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

White Nationalist groups, KKK, New Black Panthers, Conservative Citizens, Aryan Nation, or any other groups that promote hate and encourage others to perpetrate hate against others.

I may not be asking this the right way.

I am asking you to define "hate" in a manner that would equate to enforcement of some law, and would not be a violation of the 1st Amendment.

At present you have a constitutional right to say plenty of terrible things about someone, or some demographic. It becomes "hate speech" the moment you "incite violence or prejudicial action" against someone (usually in the context of a legally defined protected individual, group, etc. Breaking civil rights law, something along those lines.)

All the groups above exist presently, and even though I am sure they are watched what they print and say about someone (or some group) is protected *until* they advocate some violent act or purposeful breaking of law.

The way you have phrased the OP, my answer is no.

The whole point of the 1st Amendment, in this context, is protecting the freedom of speech. I would agree you are responsible for what you say and that includes the element of inciting violence. You do so, you are subject to consequences. As a product of our rights it means hearing things you will not agree with, perhaps even be disgusted by.

Our issue is once you remove the incite violence or breaking some law qualifier, then all "hate groups" become is whatever political will defines hate groups to be. Take modern liberalism, who often defines far right wing rhetoric as hate speech and inciting some level of concern for governance. If we go down that road then hate speech and hate groups is nothing more than a moving target purely subjected to majority power political whim. At that point, any group could be considered a hate group. Then we have major issues, freedoms lost.
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

The OP equated an undefined group as a terrorist org, you only achieve that status by engaging in criminal activity causing harm and intimidating a population. If they have committed terrorist acts, they do not have free speech rights, terrorism is not free speech.

The OP in effect created a truism.

No, what the OP did was pose a question on if we should treat hate groups the same as terrorist groups. Hate groups are groups that, through speech and only speech, spreads what some consider hate. The OP did not imply or state that hate groups were violating any laws that would bring them into a terrorist category as we currently define terrorists. The OP wants to know if we should treat hate groups the same as any other criminal organization. The OP very well could have used the drug cartel as its example in place of terrorists.

The "equating" was done purely by you, not the OP.
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Dont these groups do that?
Are you saying that the government simply lets hate groups commit crimes merely because they're hate groups?
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

no, what the op did was pose a question on if we should treat hate groups the same as terrorist groups. Hate groups are groups that, through speech and only speech, spreads what some consider hate. The op did not imply or state that hate groups were violating any laws that would bring them into a terrorist category as we currently define terrorists. The op wants to know if we should treat hate groups the same as any other criminal organization. The op very well could have used the drug cartel as its example in place of terrorists.

The "equating" was done purely by you, not the op.
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um, if they have committed crimes like these terrorists, actions meant to cause harm and to intimidate a population....well then of course.

That is a bit of a no-brainer.
dont these groups do that?
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups? Arresting and detaining leaders of these groups, freezing assets, shutting down websites, and other means of stopping these groups from spreading their hate?

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the government does pursue hate groups in the same way - they monitor their activity and they act on intelligence of any planned violence. Difference is likely that with terrorist groups, and I assume you're talking Islamic terrorists, they are recruiting teenagers and other young idiots and they do it openly on social media. American hate groups are likely far more circumspect in their activities and recruits aren't chatting away about their plans.
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

Yes, the Original Poster did:

No he did not Nothing that post says anything about terrorist acts.Spreading hate is not a terrorist act.

Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups? Arresting and detaining leaders of these groups, freezing assets, shutting down websites, and other means of stopping these groups from spreading their hate?
 
Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

No he did not Nothing that post says anything about terrorist acts.Spreading hate is not a terrorist act.
James, I'm very sorry that in spite of my posting a somewhat clarifying set of exchanges between myself and the OP (Original Poster) where he does, in point of fact, equate the hate groups with terrorists by implying that they have committed terrorist acts, that this does not help your understanding. What can I do to further help you to understand what equating is?
 
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