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High School Girls Have the Right to Upload Lewd Pictures

jamesrage

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Personally I think the judge should have ruled that what student do off campus in none of the business of the principal.


High School Girls Have the Right to Upload Lewd Pictures

It's official: High school girls have a constitutionally protected right to post to Facebook pictures of themselves in lingerie toying with phallic lollipops. America is not Saudi Arabia, you know! We are not under Sharia law (yet).

A federal judge in Indiana sided with the ACLU in ruling that a high school principal was wrong to punish two girls, 15 and 16, for posting pictures of slumber parties in which they... well... let's just blockquote:

A fully-clothed M.K. [one of the teens] is sucking on one lollipop while another lollipop is positioned between her legs and a fully-clothed T.V. is pretending to suck on it. During another sleepover, [the other teen] T.V. took a picture of M.K. and another girl pretending to kiss each other... In another, T.V. is shown bent over with M.K. poking the trident between her buttocks. A third picture shows T.V. positioned behind another kneeling girl as if engaging in anal sex. In another picture, M.K. poses with money stuck into her lingerie — stripper-style.
 
Proper ruling, this subject is kind of icky, but a person should be able to take pictures of themselves, and do whatever they want to with it.
 
Rather than focus on the specific "right" involved, it's better to say that the rights of free speech and privacy are broad enough to cover the activity in this case.
 
It isn't the schools business as far as punishment goes UNTIL it causes a disruption in the school.

This really isn't a new problem. It's just more accessable. Unfortuately what happens is that one of these girls come to school and gets all sort of sucker remarks made to her. Suckers left on her desk and she decides she doesn't like it and goes to the school to complain.
 
Totally agree with the ruling until the images "enter" the school. Now, since I'm against allowing kids to have their cell phones or any internet access (other than through the firewalls on the school computers in the library and classrooms) during the school day, that shouldn't be an issue. However, IF these photos begin being passed around the school via text, email, etc... then it DOES become a school issue in my mind since it is a disruption to the educational process.
 
Not that sucking a lollipop is pornagraphic, but when teens post nude pictures and videos of themselves and they are minors -- aren't they distributing child porn?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Not that sucking a lollipop is pornagraphic, but when teens post nude pictures and videos of themselves and they are minors -- aren't they distributing child porn?
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Not necessarily here is an interesting story about that issue :

Jock Sturges (born 1947) is an American photographer, best known for his images of nude adolescents and their families, primarily taken at communes in Northern California and at the Atlantic-coast naturist resort at Montalivet, France. His work has been the subject of controversy.[SUP][1][/SUP] Much of his work features Californian Misty Dawn, whom he shot from when she was a young child until in her twenties.[SUP][2][/SUP] In 1990, his San Francisco studio was raided by FBI officers and his equipment seized. A Grand Jury subsequently declined to bring an indictment against him.[SUP][3][/SUP]
Sturges graduated with a BFA in Perceptual Psychology and Photography from Marlboro College and received an MFA in photography from the San Francisco Art Institute.[SUP][4][/SUP]. He primarily works with a large 8x10-inch-format view camera.
Jock Sturges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Not that sucking a lollipop is pornagraphic, but when teens post nude pictures and videos of themselves and they are minors -- aren't they distributing child porn?
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That is the arguement. I'm not sure we have completely decided that yet.
 
Personally, I'd beat my daughter's ass if I saw pictures like this when she was 15 or 16. On the other hand, though, the pictures were not pornographic, the girls were clothed, with private areas covered, and while definitely suggestive, I see nothing illegal based on what I know of the law.

However...if these suggestive pictures were being shared in a school setting I think the principal has the right to discipline the girls. The school system sets the standard for appropriate behavior, discussion, and imagery in school settings. If he had to search through their phones or cameras to find the pictures then there should have been no punishment (but perhaps a discussion with the parents of the girls).
 
The article doesn't state if the school that disciplined the girls was public or private; however, I'm guessing it was public. Many private schools would have expelled them without recourse from their families, legal or otherwise.
 
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jamesrage said:
Personally I think the judge should have ruled that what student do off campus in none of the business of the principal.
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Agreed. I'm not sure why school officials seem to think that they have the right to control what both their teachers and students do in their personal lives.
 
1Perry said:
It isn't the schools business as far as punishment goes UNTIL it causes a disruption in the school.

This really isn't a new problem. It's just more accessable. Unfortuately what happens is that one of these girls come to school and gets all sort of sucker remarks made to her. Suckers left on her desk and she decides she doesn't like it and goes to the school to complain.
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yes - schools are seeing theirselves more as parents these days because some parents are just terrible . . . and it interferes with the natural flow of things.
 
Do any of you ever wonder why theres so many young girls and women going missing and found brutalized and murdered....do you think this kind of behavior and permissiveness adds to that ? Young men today have far less respect for women than my generation did....and like my opinion or not...its the girls and women that gave that respect up....shame...I personally like having respect for women
 
lpast said:
Do any of you ever wonder why theres so many young girls and women going missing and found brutalized and murdered....do you think this kind of behavior and permissiveness adds to that ? Young men today have far less respect for women than my generation did....and like my opinion or not...its the girls and women that gave that respect up....shame...I personally like having respect for women
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Are you suggesting that every rape or murder victim *behaved* like this and invited their trauma? Obviously that's far from truth, there.
If you don't like this behavior in a partner then obviously you won't be eyeing any of them like they're a twinkie with a sumptuous filling.

But in my world most men generally don't respect most women regardless of personal behavior - I never behaved like that and was still raped a few times and abused by my ex. :shrug: In fact - just the opposite for me - I was the ugly duckling with dorky glasses, a repellant for real relationships and that makes me appealing or abuse, I guess.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
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Are you suggesting that every rape or murder victim *behaved* like this and invited their trauma? Obviously that's far from truth, there.
If you don't like this behavior in a partner then obviously you won't be eyeing any of them like they're a twinkie with a sumptuous filling.

But in my world most men generally don't respect most women regardless of personal behavior - I never behaved like that and was still raped a few times and abused by my ex. :shrug: In fact - just the opposite for me - I was the ugly duckling with dorky glasses, a repellant for real relationships and that makes me appealing or abuse, I guess.
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That is not what im suggesting...I was referring strictly to respect...I believe girls and young women demean themselves by doing things like this
To me its quite simple if you carry yourself with self respect you are more inclined to get it....if you act like your available every young man with a personality disorder is going to migrate right to you
 
lpast said:
That is not what im suggesting...I was referring strictly to respect...I believe girls and young women demean themselves by doing things like this
To me its quite simple if you carry yourself with self respect you are more inclined to get it....if you act like your available every young man with a personality disorder is going to migrate right to you
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Hmm - well, sometimes fun and games can just be misleading. I don't see this as a 'lack of self-respect or valuing one's self' but just a skewed view of what's fun and what's not.

This - to me - comes across more as a grown girl's way of playing dressup. . . it's only the unaffected and outside male or female that skews it into something more twisted.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Hmm - well, sometimes fun and games can just be misleading. I don't see this as a 'lack of self-respect or valuing one's self' but just a skewed view of what's fun and what's not.

This - to me - comes across more as a grown girl's way of playing dressup. . . it's only the unaffected and outside male or female that skews it into something more twisted.
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Well that was my point: It doesnt help others to show you respect when your not showing it for yourself......Im not explaining how im thinking properly here..

Im thinking as a man now..admittedly a much older man two generations removed from this behavior...I can only go by my personal feelings and life experience.

In my life experience women that kept a demeanor of self respect...GOT IT....the ones that didnt...DIDNT...and displays in public like these girls are doing on facebook readily available for all the clown princes in their neighborhood and schools to see..doesnt enhance being treated like a lady....thats my humble opinion and it can be totally wrong too...:)
 
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But if another person, say an older man, takes this picture off of Facebook and views it on his computer, wouldn't that be pretty damn close to child pornography?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Hmm - well, sometimes fun and games can just be misleading. I don't see this as a 'lack of self-respect or valuing one's self' but just a skewed view of what's fun and what's not.
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I'm sure rational thought was not part of the process for putting those photos on the internet for the world to see.

Aunt Spiker said:
This - to me - comes across more as a grown girl's way of playing dressup. . . it's only the unaffected and outside male or female that skews it into something more twisted.
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How can you equate explicit sexual innuendo to playing dress up?

So let's blame the receivers of that message, eh? Your admonition is the basis of liberal politics; accepting no personal responsibility.
 
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jamesrage said:
Personally I think the judge should have ruled that what student do off campus in none of the business of the principal.


High School Girls Have the Right to Upload Lewd Pictures

It's official: High school girls have a constitutionally protected right to post to Facebook pictures of themselves in lingerie toying with phallic lollipops. America is not Saudi Arabia, you know! We are not under Sharia law (yet).

A federal judge in Indiana sided with the ACLU in ruling that a high school principal was wrong to punish two girls, 15 and 16, for posting pictures of slumber parties in which they... well... let's just blockquote:

A fully-clothed M.K. [one of the teens] is sucking on one lollipop while another lollipop is positioned between her legs and a fully-clothed T.V. is pretending to suck on it. During another sleepover, [the other teen] T.V. took a picture of M.K. and another girl pretending to kiss each other... In another, T.V. is shown bent over with M.K. poking the trident between her buttocks. A third picture shows T.V. positioned behind another kneeling girl as if engaging in anal sex. In another picture, M.K. poses with money stuck into her lingerie — stripper-style.
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Now, the situation is that these underage girls are taking pictures legally that is pretty close to a crime to look at?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059743114 said:
I'm sure rational thought was not part of the process for putting those photos on the internet for the world to see.



How can you equate explicit sexual innuendo to playing dress up?

So let's blame the receivers of that message, eh? Your admonition is the basis of liberal politics; accepting no personal responsibility.
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A teenager's version - why not?

I guess we're from two different worlds . . . it's easy to just play around and have fun "looking" grown up or sexy and so on without thinking about the consequences.
 
I agree with the ruling, the school shouldn't be punishing them for taking the pictures.

If they are actively exchanging said pictures while at school. IE texting them to kids while in school, showing them on a phone, or on a school computer connecting to facebook, then tey could be disciplined for that action not the action of the pictures.

But as to the pictures themselves and the action of taking them, the only punishment...if any...should be coming from the Parents.

Also, 10-1 these pictures are taken and turned into "Jailbait" Demotivational posters.
 
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