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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?


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Sounds retarded to me. But I would choose hell over the God of your Bible. Not because I'm a sinner, but because your God is clearly no better than his creations and yet he feels entitled to judge them all. That is pretty pathetic.
I believe that your judgement is made in error and ignorance. You don't really grasp what God did for all humanity when Jesus died on the cross. But it's your life and your beliefs and I respect that even if I think you are wrong.
Let me guess. You went to a Christian College that taught you revisionist history so you could sit here and pretend like slavery in the ancient Middle East was a walk in the park.
And? So you believe that PhD's and experts in Biblical hermeneutics and the history of Israel are completely wrong on everything? I am not saying that slavery was a walk in the park, but the truth about slavery in the NT is that it was a contractual agreement. Many people sold themselves as slaves to pay off debts. As previously explained, we get the concept of a bondersvant (which is important in Jame's book) from slavery in the NT.
It's a stupid myth. I interpret is as nothing more or less.

And you are free to believe that and I respect that. However, I strongly disagree with your view and interpretation of the Bible and I'll argue that your view of the Bible is wrong.
 
Question digsbe (seeing as how you are the only theological person responding). If God created the universe (Omniscient), then why wouldn't he reward those who contribute to the science community in life? Why didn't he leave us some calculus to look over?
 
So you ridicule religion, yet you're an agnostic?

Yes. Anyone who pretends that their religion is anything more than a set of assumptions, is lying to themselves and everyone around them.
 
I did not say homosexuals are evil. Like others before you, you have not understood this. We are ALL sinners, according to our religion. We are to hate sin, and not the sinners because we all sin. You are mistaken in your use of the term "bigot". "Bigot" is used by those who do not sit and think first, before arriving to an insult that they think is most convenient.

That was actually a rather well thought argument and your point is taken. I regret insinuating that you were a bigot, however if you believe everyone who shares your beliefs also understands the difference between this supposed sin(Not going to be able to agree with you on that) and the person committing it then I'm afraid your mistaken.
 
Question digsbe (seeing as how you are the only theological person responding). If God created the universe (Omniscient), then why wouldn't he reward those who contribute to the science community in life? Why didn't he leave us some calculus to look over?

I don't mind answering your question but I would rather not derail the thread by discussing theological concepts regarding origins and the thoughts of God. If you want to though I would be happy to respond to these types of questions via PM.
 
I believe that your judgement is made in error and ignorance. You don't really grasp what God did for all humanity when Jesus died on the cross. But it's your life and your beliefs and I respect that even if I think you are wrong.

And? So you believe that PhD's and experts in Biblical hermeneutics and the history of Israel are completely wrong on everything? I am not saying that slavery was a walk in the park, but the truth about slavery in the NT is that it was a contractual agreement. Many people sold themselves as slaves to pay off debts. As previously explained, we get the concept of a bondersvant (which is important in Jame's book) from slavery in the NT.


And you are free to believe that and I respect that. However, I strongly disagree with your view and interpretation of the Bible and I'll argue that your view of the Bible is wrong.

I put forward some passages which stated some very explicit things would you care to let me know how those factor in on your view of slavery as it is represented in the Bible. There's not a lot of room for interpretation.
 
I believe that your judgement is made in error and ignorance. You don't really grasp what God did for all humanity when Jesus died on the cross. But it's your life and your beliefs and I respect that even if I think you are wrong.

Oh come now. I was raised Christian. I was fed that story from early childhood.
And? So you believe that PhD's and experts in Biblical hermeneutics and the history of Israel are completely wrong on everything? I am not saying that slavery was a walk in the park, but the truth about slavery in the NT is that it was a contractual agreement. Many people sold themselves as slaves to pay off debts. As previously explained, we get the concept of a bondersvant (which is important in Jame's book) from slavery in the NT.

Do I believe your particular PhDs and experts? No.

And you are free to believe that and I respect that. However, I strongly disagree with your view and interpretation of the Bible and I'll argue that your view of the Bible is wrong.

Well no duh you will argue my view of the Bible is wrong! If I was right, then you would be wrong, and you couldn't deal with being wrong about something that you have emotionally invested so much in. I mean, could you imagine what the effect would be if you believed I was right?
 
I believe that your judgement is made in error and ignorance. You don't really grasp what God did for all humanity when Jesus died on the cross...

there is no evidence that any of this actually happened. its all 2nd hand heresay.

in summary, the Christ-myth is a cute fairy-tale.
 
The Bible calls it a sin, that is what matters. It's an extremely weak argument to say it isn't a sin simply because Jesus did not mention it in specific detail.

Paul says lots of crap in the NT that Jesus would have thought was crap.
 
Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?

Do you think it sinless and natural? Why?

Can you prove your claim?

Is homosexuality a sin? It is my belief based on my faith that it is. However, just as with the thief. I do not hate the individual. I will simply encourage them to make different choices. Dislike the actions, not the person.

Is it unnatural? I would argue that it is.

I apologize in advance for the hatred or nasty comments this may inspire. But I wish to air these things to have a better understanding.

This is strongly based on the following evidence. The only way to produce off-spring in the natural world is for a human. To engage in intercourse with a member of the opposite sex. Therefore it would be logical to assume based on the compatibility of nature, that because two of the same gender will never produce off-spring. It is a useless deviation of the human species.

Now, based on this some people have gone to the point of ensuring these individuals do not reproduce. This i believe to be cruel and inhumane, these actions are unacceptable in civilized society.

However, since it can be proven that homosexuality is a non-viable continuation of the human species this question is worth asking:

How much of the deviations in an individual can produce homosexual tendencies?
-Genetic Hormonal Imbalance (ie Born this way)
-Social Conditioning (ie It's ok to experiment)
-Sexual Confusion/Abuse (ie I can't trust a man/woman)

these 3 reasons I believe are strong factors in the significant increase in "homosexual population".

The final basis for increases in homosexual population is manipulation. The belief that various groups wish to use the "victimized" status of homosexuals to change laws and place themselves in power as a champion to the oppressed. I urge caution, I do not believe being gay diminishes the humanity of a person. However I do believe in this day and age in increases the chances manipulation.
 
Is homosexuality a sin? It is my belief based on my faith that it is. However, just as with the thief. I do not hate the individual. I will simply encourage them to make different choices. Dislike the actions, not the person.

Is it unnatural? I would argue that it is.

I apologize in advance for the hatred or nasty comments this may inspire. But I wish to air these things to have a better understanding.

This is strongly based on the following evidence. The only way to produce off-spring in the natural world is for a human. To engage in intercourse with a member of the opposite sex. Therefore it would be logical to assume based on the compatibility of nature, that because two of the same gender will never produce off-spring. It is a useless deviation of the human species.

Now, based on this some people have gone to the point of ensuring these individuals do not reproduce. This i believe to be cruel and inhumane, these actions are unacceptable in civilized society.

However, since it can be proven that homosexuality is a non-viable continuation of the human species this question is worth asking:

How much of the deviations in an individual can produce homosexual tendencies?
-Genetic Hormonal Imbalance (ie Born this way)
-Social Conditioning (ie It's ok to experiment)
-Sexual Confusion/Abuse (ie I can't trust a man/woman)

these 3 reasons I believe are strong factors in the significant increase in "homosexual population".

The final basis for increases in homosexual population is manipulation. The belief that various groups wish to use the "victimized" status of homosexuals to change laws and place themselves in power as a champion to the oppressed. I urge caution, I do not believe being gay diminishes the humanity of a person. However I do believe in this day and age in increases the chances manipulation.

There is something sad about believing that the entire purpose for existence and for any action or deed is to procreate and anything else is simply a "useless deviation" worthy of hate and treated as comparable to asocial behaviors like theft. When people ask me why I could no longer support the Christian faith, this kind of thinking is on the top of the list.

The purpose of homosexuality, as appears evident by its existance in nature, is to provide a greater adult to child ratio for child rearing purposes and to increase social bonding within highly socialized animals. The fact that Paul gets to define what is natural rather than nature defining what is natural is another less than logical aspect of the Christian faith.
 
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This is strongly based on the following evidence. The only way to produce off-spring in the natural world is for a human. To engage in intercourse with a member of the opposite sex. Therefore it would be logical to assume based on the compatibility of nature, that because two of the same gender will never produce off-spring. It is a useless deviation of the human species.

You do know that this is wrong, right? A person does not have to engage in intercourse to produce offspring. That is the most prevalent method, but not the only method. In fact, a few years ago, this woman kept the semen from giving this guy a BJ and impregnated herself with it.

Man Receives Oral Sex, Ordered to Pay Child Support | MND: Your Daily Dose of Counter-Theory

And many women now days have gotten pregnant through IV fertilization, which really only takes some guy masturbating in a cup and a lot of money.

Four Million Test-Tube Babies and Counting - Cristine Russell - Technology - The Atlantic
 
Is homosexuality a sin? It is my belief based on my faith that it is. However, just as with the thief. I do not hate the individual. I will simply encourage them to make different choices. Dislike the actions, not the person.

Is it unnatural? I would argue that it is.

I apologize in advance for the hatred or nasty comments this may inspire. But I wish to air these things to have a better understanding.

This is strongly based on the following evidence. The only way to produce off-spring in the natural world is for a human. To engage in intercourse with a member of the opposite sex. Therefore it would be logical to assume based on the compatibility of nature, that because two of the same gender will never produce off-spring. It is a useless deviation of the human species.

Now, based on this some people have gone to the point of ensuring these individuals do not reproduce. This i believe to be cruel and inhumane, these actions are unacceptable in civilized society.

However, since it can be proven that homosexuality is a non-viable continuation of the human species this question is worth asking:

How much of the deviations in an individual can produce homosexual tendencies?
-Genetic Hormonal Imbalance (ie Born this way)
-Social Conditioning (ie It's ok to experiment)
-Sexual Confusion/Abuse (ie I can't trust a man/woman)

these 3 reasons I believe are strong factors in the significant increase in "homosexual population".

The final basis for increases in homosexual population is manipulation. The belief that various groups wish to use the "victimized" status of homosexuals to change laws and place themselves in power as a champion to the oppressed. I urge caution, I do not believe being gay diminishes the humanity of a person. However I do believe in this day and age in increases the chances manipulation.

Would someone PLEASE educate this guy? I really don't have the time, tonight.
 
educate or indoctrinate?

No... I think he definitely meant educate.

Let's see how right handed people and left handed people stack up:

Left handed people have been proven to be better at sports and generally physical activities. We also tend to have higher IQs. We're more economically successful and tend to pursue visual careers to a higher degree of success.

So then why is it that there is such a low percentage of us left handed people on this planet? After all, it logically follows from your statement that less useful "deviations" would have been weeded out in favor of those who are better suited for survival. It stands clear that a left handed person is in social, physical and genetic ways MORE capable than right handed people. So why are we not the norm? When we are, as far as nature is concerned, more able?

I'll wait.
 
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You do know that this is wrong, right? A person does not have to engage in intercourse to produce offspring. That is the most prevalent method, but not the only method. In fact, a few years ago, this woman kept the semen from giving this guy a BJ and impregnated herself with it.

Man Receives Oral Sex, Ordered to Pay Child Support | MND: Your Daily Dose of Counter-Theory

And many women now days have gotten pregnant through IV fertilization, which really only takes some guy masturbating in a cup and a lot of money.

Four Million Test-Tube Babies and Counting - Cristine Russell - Technology - The Atlantic

You seem to have missed the part of "in the natural world" yes humans are clever and have found ways around it. It still does not diminish the fact that 2 humans of opposite gender were involved.
 
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