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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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CriticalThought said:
Really? No Genocide in the New Testament? Have you read Revelations?

How about in Timothy where is says that women shouldn't teach or hold a position of authority over males?

How about all the references to slavery in the New Testament? How often did Jesus speak out against the practice of slavery?

Such bullcrap.
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Is it genocide for people to be judged for their sins?

How about understanding that slavery in the NT was a contractual agreement? James even opens up his book with the term "bondservant of Christ." A bondservant was a slave, who after fulfilling their contract, chose to remain with their master. "Slaves" were meant to be set free and paid for their work. Chinese factories are far worse off than NT "slavery."

You don't understand the Bible, you want to read negative things into it in a dishonest manner to try and justify ignoring what it says about homosexuality (and most likely other sins as well).
 
Jryan said:
Did you completely ignore CritcalThought's response?
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That is what fundamentalist Christians do. I became invisible to them the moment I challenged their world view.
 
digsbe said:
Eh, I've been round and round in these arguments. You don't have to like the New Testament or believe in it, but the fact is that it doesn't condone genocide and all the other stuff people want to attribute to it in order to justify ignoring Biblical text and writing it off as barbaric.
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Not that I have anything against Christianity it does a lot of good for a lot of people, and a lot of my local churches do a lot for our community. However your just as guilty of ignoring all of the negative attributes of the New Testament as you claim Critical Thought is for ignoring the positives.
 
I agree with the normal society....Homosexuality is Wrong and Sinfull.

And besides, I plan on entering God's Kingdom one day.
We all sin durring our lifetimes, and the Allmighty may forgive for it. But for those that sin with homosexuality. YEP!!!....
We all eventually find out. Ther'es no escaping it.
 
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alexxouellette said:
Not that I have anything against Christianity it does a lot of good for a lot of people, and a lot of my local churches do a lot for our community. However your just as guilty of ignoring all of the negative attributes of the New Testament as you claim Critical Thought is for ignoring the positives.
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I think religion is good on ONE thing, it brings the community together. I even go to church because it is a great place to meet nice people. I do this but I am the definition of an Atheist.
 
digsbe said:
Is it genocide for people to be judged for their sins?
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ROFL. It is when your silly God is running around the world destroying entire nations of people whose only mistake is not believing he exists.

How about understanding that slavery in the NT was a contractual agreement?
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How about stop blowing smoke up my ass with your revisionists view of what ancient Middle Eastern slavery was. I own a history book.

James even opens up his book with the term "bondservant of Christ." A bondservant was a slave, who after fulfilling their contract, chose to remain with their master. "Slaves" were meant to be set free and paid for their work. Chinese factories are far worse off than NT "slavery."
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Bullcrap.

You don't understand the Bible, you want to read negative things into it in a dishonest manner to try and justify ignoring what it says about homosexuality (and most likely other sins as well).
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You, you, you, you, you.

ROFL!

I could say the same thing about yourself and how you interpret the Bible's views on homosexuality. In the end, you prove my point. It's all about the interpretation.
 
It annoys me when people call you a hateful bigot simply because you understand homosexuality is a sin, based on your religion. Such mud-slinging is inexcusable. It's not like a pester people about it. But if you want to have a discussion about it then you will have my opinion and I for one won't tolerate being slurred. A few years ago I actually recieved death threats (on a different forum) for simply stating my opinion.
 
dixiesolutions said:
I agree with the normal society....Homosexuality is Wrong and Sinfull.

And besides, I plan on entering God's Kingdom one day.
We all sin durring our lifetimes, and the Allmighty may forgive for it. But for those that sin with homosexuality. YEP!!!....
We all eventually find out. Ther'es no escaping it.
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Yeah we die. Good thing too. That is the only way to get rid of stupid superstitions.
 
digsbe said:
Is it genocide for people to be judged for their sins?

How about understanding that slavery in the NT was a contractual agreement? James even opens up his book with the term "bondservant of Christ." A bondservant was a slave, who after fulfilling their contract, chose to remain with their master. "Slaves" were meant to be set free and paid for their work. Chinese factories are far worse off than NT "slavery."

You don't understand the Bible, you want to read negative things into it in a dishonest manner to try and justify ignoring what it says about homosexuality (and most likely other sins as well).
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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

There's nothing wrong with this?
 
CriticalThought said:
ROFL. It is when your silly God is running around the world destroying entire nations of people whose only mistake is not believing he exists.
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Nah, their mistake is rejecting salvation and choosing hell. God is a judge, we sin and those sins are judged by a just God. Do you get mad when a court sentences a murderer to serve jail time? According to Biblical theology death is something mankind freely chose when the first sin was committed.
How about stop blowing smoke up my ass with your revisionists view of what ancient Middle Eastern slavery was. I own a history book.
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And I've taken college courses analyzing the history and ancient Greek/Hebrew of Biblical text.
Bullcrap.



You, you, you, you, you.

ROFL!

I could say the same thing about yourself and how you interpret the Bible's views on homosexuality. In the end, you prove my point. It's all about the interpretation.
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Do you interpret the Bible with an intent to find the truth of the text? Or is it in pursuit of trying to mix words to fit a certain lifestyle or deny that certain things are sins because that's what you want the Bible to say? I don't claim to have infallible knowledge about Biblical text, but it's clearly seen within the Bible that homosexuality is not permitted much like murder and sleeping with your mother isn't.
 
Wake said:
It annoys me when people call you a hateful bigot simply because you understand homosexuality is a sin, based on your religion. Such mud-slinging is inexcusable. It's not like a pester people about it. But if you want to have a discussion about it then you will have my opinion and I for one won't tolerate being slurred. A few years ago I actually recieved death threats (on a different forum) for simply stating my opinion.
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Who gives a crap what you think? Anyone who wasted time threatening to kill you because of your opinions is a loser. You are a guy who believes an old myth because it gives you comfort and gives you a sense of belonging with other people who buy into the same old myth. That doesn't bother me at all. I think its stupid, but hey, you think where I put my penis is stupid, so I guess we are even.
 
Digsbe, I know this is a direct question, but do you actually read books that say Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris writes?

I'm just interested to know if religious people read books that make them think on what they believe in.
 
Wake said:
It annoys me when people call you a hateful bigot simply because you understand homosexuality is a sin, based on your religion. Such mud-slinging is inexcusable. It's not like a pester people about it. But if you want to have a discussion about it then you will have my opinion and I for one won't tolerate being slurred. A few years ago I actually recieved death threats (on a different forum) for simply stating my opinion.
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I'm not calling you a bigot, however would you please explain how telling the homosexual community that they're evil and will burn in hell isn't bigotry. Once again not calling you a bigot, as you claim not to be, however I am confused as to how you can say that and at the same time not be guilty of bigotry and an explanation would do a lot to clarify things for me.
 
CriticalThought said:
Who gives a crap what you think? Anyone who wasted time threatening to kill you because of your opinions is a loser. You are a guy who believes an old myth because it gives you comfort and gives you a sense of belonging with other people who buy into the same old myth. That doesn't bother me at all. I think its stupid, but hey, you think where I put my penis is stupid, so I guess we are even.
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Your anger is getting to you, badly. I'll leave you to cool off; we can continue this discussion in a few hours or longer.
 
CriticalThought said:
Who gives a crap what you think? Anyone who wasted time threatening to kill you because of your opinions is a loser. You are a guy who believes an old myth because it gives you comfort and gives you a sense of belonging with other people who buy into the same old myth. That doesn't bother me at all. I think its stupid, but hey, you think where I put my penis is stupid, so I guess we are even.
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I will pray for you.
 
digsbe said:
Nah, their mistake is rejecting salvation and choosing hell. God is a judge, we sin and those sins are judged by a just God. Do you get mad when a court sentences a murderer to serve jail time? According to Biblical theology death is something mankind freely chose when the first sin was committed.
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Sounds retarded to me. But I would choose hell over the God of your Bible. Not because I'm a sinner, but because your God is clearly no better than his creations and yet he feels entitled to judge them all. That is pretty pathetic.

And I've taken college courses analyzing the history and ancient Greek/Hebrew of Biblical text.
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Let me guess. You went to a Christian College that taught you revisionist history so you could sit here and pretend like slavery in the ancient Middle East was a walk in the park.

Do you interpret the Bible with an intent to find the truth of the text? Or is it in pursuit of trying to mix words to fit a certain lifestyle or deny that certain things are sins because that's what you want the Bible to say? I don't claim to have infallible knowledge about Biblical text, but it's clearly seen within the Bible that homosexuality is not permitted much like murder and sleeping with your mother isn't.
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It's a stupid myth. I interpret is as nothing more or less.
 
alexxouellette said:
I'm not calling you a bigot, however would you please explain how telling the homosexual community that they're evil and will burn in hell isn't bigotry. Once again not calling you a bigot, as you claim not to be, however I am confused as to how you can say that and at the same time not be guilty of bigotry and an explanation would do a lot to clarify things for me.
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I will pray for you too.
 
Jryan said:
Digsbe, I know this is a direct question, but do you actually read books that say Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris writes?

I'm just interested to know if religious people read books that make them think on what they believe in.
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I used to be an atheist and I am familiar with the arguments and some of the works of Richard Dawkins (like the God Delusion). I have not read his works to completion however. I am not very well acquainted with the work of Sam Harris.
 
alexxouellette said:
I'm not calling you a bigot, however would you please explain how telling the homosexual community that they're evil and will burn in hell isn't bigotry. Once again not calling you a bigot, as you claim not to be, however I am confused as to how you can say that and at the same time not be guilty of bigotry and an explanation would do a lot to clarify things for me.
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I did not say homosexuals are evil. Like others before you, you have not understood this. We are ALL sinners, according to our religion. We are to hate sin, and not the sinners because we all sin. You are mistaken in your use of the term "bigot". "Bigot" is used by those who do not sit and think first, before arriving to an insult that they think is most convenient.
 
digsbe said:
I used to be an atheist and I am familiar with the arguments and some of the works of Richard Dawkins (like the God Delusion). I have not read his works to completion however. I am not very well acquainted with the work of Sam Harris.
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Thanks, I just sort of thought, why do I read these things just to do them (probably) injustice using their thoughts on forums. :) BTW, I have read your book ;)
 
digsbe said:
Do you interpret the Bible with an intent to find the truth of the text? Or is it in pursuit of trying to mix words to fit a certain lifestyle or deny that certain things are sins because that's what you want the Bible to say? I don't claim to have infallible knowledge about Biblical text, but it's clearly seen within the Bible that homosexuality is not permitted much like murder and sleeping with your mother isn't.
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When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

Murder is absolutely not permitted unless it's slow and painful of course. The homosexual community however they're really evil......
 
Wake said:
Your anger is getting to you, badly. I'll leave you to cool off; we can continue this discussion in a few hours or longer.
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I'm not angry, I'm laughing my ass off. You guys are funny.
 
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