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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?


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*Sigh* ...it's also a sin according to the New Testament. That's not up for debate. What is, though, is whether we should adhere to the Bible's scripture or change the Bible according to modern society.

Or we could just let the people, especially people of each denomination, decide how they want to view the Bible. And if someone or a group of someones aren't happy with how any current denomination views the Bible, then they should go ahead and just believe what they want to. If they feel like it, they should also be able to make another denomination or whole different religion to teach what they want to believe.
 
I have no idea. I believe there was a great holy person named Jesus (or something that translates to Jesus) sometime in our past, given the fact that such a person is mentioned in at least two different holy books and has such a huge following of people.

But, no, I didn't see him. But, then again, I also didn't actually see Julius Ceasar, Alexander the Great, or Mary, Queen of Scots either, but I believe they existed from what was written about them.

Fair enough... but there is first hand historical evidence of those people in the form of primary source documents, pictures and sculptures. Nothing like that exist of Jesus. He was written about and drawn well past his death, and in some cases hundreds of years after death.
 
Fair enough... but there is first hand historical evidence of those people in the form of primary source documents, pictures and sculptures. Nothing like that exist of Jesus. He was written about and drawn well past his death, and in some cases hundreds of years after death.

I'm not sure why you are arguing this with me. I could care less whether he actually existed or not. I'm not Christian. If he existed and preached as has been taught, then he seems to be a really good person, whether he is really the Son of God, the Messiah, God on Earth, or whatever. But other people preached/taught these same things as well and there have been a lot of good people in our history. And the message, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, is more important, imho, than anything else. I don't care where or who it came from. I don't need to be told though that this is how God or anyone else wants you to live your life and that is why you should. I just believe you should because it is the right thing to do. Others though might need the reassurance that they are doing something right because it is what a higher power or better person than them believes is the right thing for them to do.

I don't know why people care so much whether he existed or not. Does it really matter if people believed that Jesus existed if he didn't? Why?
 
The only thing that is sinful or unnatural is resurrecting this old, dead thread.
 
I'm not sure why you are arguing this with me. I could care less whether he actually existed or not. I'm not Christian. If he existed and preached as has been taught, then he seems to be a really good person, whether he is really the Son of God, the Messiah, God on Earth, or whatever. But other people preached/taught these same things as well and there have been a lot of good people in our history. And the message, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, is more important, imho, than anything else. I don't care where or who it came from. I don't need to be told though that this is how God or anyone else wants you to live your life and that is why you should. I just believe you should because it is the right thing to do. Others though might need the reassurance that they are doing something right because it is what a higher power or better person than them believes is the right thing for them to do.

I don't know why people care so much whether he existed or not. Does it really matter if people believed that Jesus existed if he didn't? Why?

I wasn't arguing to prove you wrong or anything, just to understand why a person might believe in something that might not have been, if that makes any sense. Just curious. It's all good man... let's move on then.
 
Sure, if you want to be direct about it. An easy way at a glance is: If he's better looking than me, he's gay.

I know that I intimidate a lot of guys with my abnormally good looks, but I am not gay.
 
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Everyone needs to make up their own mind what is and is not sin for their own life. What I think has no bearing on what my neighbor should be doing in his or her bedroom with other consenting adults. The government certainly has no reason to get involved in bedroom activities between consenting adult.
 
*Sigh* ...it's also a sin according to the New Testament. That's not up for debate. What is, though, is whether we should adhere to the Bible's scripture or change the Bible according to modern society.

Really? Jesus calls it a sin?

Or does PAUL call it a sin, along with women speaking in church, teaching men, and having any authority over men.

The NT tells Christians to do and not do many things that are completely ignored today. If Christians can ignore the rule against ingesting blood, worshiping idols, and giving women any authority over men, then they can ignore the rule making homosexuality sinful.
 
Really? Jesus calls it a sin?Or does PAUL call it a sin, along with women speaking in church, teaching men, and having any authority over men.The NT tells Christians to do and not do many things that are completely ignored today. If Christians can ignore the rule against ingesting blood, worshiping idols, and giving women any authority over men, then they can ignore the rule making homosexuality sinful.
Because Jesus/Paul didn't say it doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Google a better argument. Perhaps everyone who's been ignoring the NT are in for a rude awakening after death. Furthermore, why not alter the scriptures about fornication, adultery, etc? Let's take out God's precepts and the standards for entering Heaven and instead make it nothing but a book of good intentions. Why? We know where we'll get with good intentions alone.
 
The Bible calls it a sin, that is what matters. It's an extremely weak argument to say it isn't a sin simply because Jesus did not mention it in specific detail.
 
Alright I'll just have to disagree with one point here. This one. I don't plan, nor do I want to have kids, when I get older. If I do, I will plan on adopting. Am I dysfunctional?

I believe both "defect" "dysfuntion," and "wrong" to all be subjective terms.
-_- you are wrong. You are thinking on a completely personal level and choice.

Your body wants to reproduce and have children whether you like it or not. Unless you are dysfunctional and have a lack of sex drive and attraction?
 
homosexuality can be observed in most mammals. it's certainly natural, and eventually the mechanism of it will be understood more thoroughly.
 
This thread is proof that religion interferes in politics.
 
The Bible calls it a sin, that is what matters. It's an extremely weak argument to say it isn't a sin simply because Jesus did not mention it in specific detail.

The Bible says a lot of things. Slavery is fine. Women shouldn't teach or hold of position of authority over males. Genocide is awesome. Great stuff.
 
-_- you are wrong. You are thinking on a completely personal level and choice.

Your body wants to reproduce and have children whether you like it or not. Unless you are dysfunctional and have a lack of sex drive and attraction?

So...you are arguing that homosexuality is a dysfunction?
 
The Bible says a lot of things. Slavery is fine. Women shouldn't teach or hold of position of authority over males. Genocide is awesome. Great stuff.

Nah, you chose to read into the Bible negative views that aren't really being represented. People don't understand the Old Testament and want to glean negative things from it while completely ignoring the New Testament (and only choosing to highlight things that may enhance their ignorant argument).
 
Nah, you chose to read into the Bible negative views that aren't really being represented. People don't understand the Old Testament and want to glean negative things from it while completely ignoring the New Testament (and only choosing to highlight things that may enhance their ignorant argument).

I was talking about the New Testament. I don't know what you are talking about.
 
I was talking about the New Testament. I don't know what you are talking about.

Eh, I've been round and round in these arguments. You don't have to like the New Testament or believe in it, but the fact is that it doesn't condone genocide and all the other stuff people want to attribute to it in order to justify ignoring Biblical text and writing it off as barbaric.
 
Eh, I've been round and round in these arguments. You don't have to like the New Testament or believe in it, but the fact is that it doesn't condone genocide and all the other stuff people want to attribute to it in order to justify ignoring Biblical text and writing it off as barbaric.

Really? No Genocide in the New Testament? Have you read Revelations?

How about in Timothy where is says that women shouldn't teach or hold a position of authority over males?

How about all the references to slavery in the New Testament? How often did Jesus speak out against the practice of slavery?

Such bullcrap.
 
Nah, you chose to read into the Bible negative views that aren't really being represented. People don't understand the Old Testament and want to glean negative things from it while completely ignoring the New Testament (and only choosing to highlight things that may enhance their ignorant argument).

+1

Very well said....Very True.
 
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