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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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BDBoop said:
I can't think of a polite way to put this.

All my friends, family and loved ones are already enlightened enough to support SSM.
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Even here in my cave, I could tell that was very polite, BD.
 
LuckyDan said:
That they're pro-SSM doesn't surprise me, but can you tell me how they feel about marriage in general?

I ask because I have found that people of my own age who do not value marriage are fine with SSM as a matter of fairness, while those who value marriage tend to oppose it.
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I would like to ask those people how SSM will de-value marriage?
 
LuckyDan said:
That they're pro-SSM doesn't surprise me, but can you tell me how they feel about marriage in general?
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We're all a bit too young to be talking about marriage, really.

I ask because I have found that people of my own age who do not value marriage are fine with SSM as a matter of fairness, while those who value marriage tend to oppose it.
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That's very interesting. Can't say I've witnessed anything to this effect, but then again I don't discuss issues of marriage or politics with a lot of other people either.
 
Your Star said:
I don't hate men, alot of my friends are guys. I just don't want to have sex with them.
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I never got that vibe from you, Star, I must say.

But I recall many of the movement fems from the 70s who seemed to just freaking HATE men - except for Phil Donahue, who never passed up an opportunity to apologize to them for being a man.
 
LuckyDan said:
That they're pro-SSM doesn't surprise me, but can you tell me how they feel about marriage in general?

I ask because I have found that people of my own age who do not value marriage are fine with SSM as a matter of fairness, while those who value marriage tend to oppose it.
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I don't value marriage because it's a silly tradition that in itself is "unnatural".

If marriage were natural, there wouldn't be premarital or extramarital sex going on.
 
TheGreatSandeno said:
I don't value marriage because it's a silly tradition that in itself is "unnatural".

If marriage were natural, there wouldn't be premarital or extramarital sex going on.
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I agree.

Marriage demands that the male curb his natural drive to have sex with as many women as possible, and subordinate it to the female sexual pattern of monogamy and child-bearing. It's a great basis on which to build a civilized society, but yes, very unnatural - and sometimes very difficult - for men.
 
StillBallin75 said:
We're all a bit too young to be talking about marriage, really.



That's very interesting. Can't say I've witnessed anything to this effect, but then again I don't discuss issues of marriage or politics with a lot of other people either.
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Understood, but isn't that another way of saying, you don't know much about it? dont care much about it? so, **** yeah, SSM, whatever?
 
LuckyDan said:
Understood, but isn't that another way of saying, you don't know much about it? dont care much about it? so, **** yeah, SSM, whatever?
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I understand the pursuit for equality and equal rights. Even if it's pursuing the right to be more miserable, as some put it.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I understand the pursuit for equality and equal rights. Even if it's pursuing the right to be more miserable, as some put it.
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Exactly!

It's not about the value of marriage. It never has been.

It's about equality.
 
:shrug: still seeking acceptance.
 
LuckyDan said:
Exactly!

It's not about the value of marriage. It never has been.

It's about equality.
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Some do, some don't. Personally, I don't think it has much value. But I know people who do, and support SSM. Including, weirdly enough, a few Catholics. But there's always been an interesting divide amongst Catholics that I don't quite understand despite having a Catholic extended family...

But hey, if your idea of valuing marriage is to discriminate about who can get married, you don't have to marry a gay person! You could even get married to a straight person in a church that won't do gay marriages! Cool, huh. :D
 
mac said:
No...you made it fit a definition...there are plenty of unnatural things we do that can fit it.
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Nope, The definition happened to fit. Not my fault if Webster disagrees with you.



nope.
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Yup. Over and over.
 
LuckyDan said:
You haven't gotten an answer that changes your mind.

Neither have I, when I ask why do gays want to marry. What's the point?
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So my wife, and I can form a family that has the same legal benefits that straight people who form families have, and so our family can benefit from those and not be at a disadvantage simply due to the fact that we are a lesbian couple.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I asked you a question which you have failed to answer, and have instead responded with another question.

Homosexuality occurs in nature. There are several theories as to why it exists, but nobody knows for sure. But the fact that it exists in nature, clearly makes it natural even if its purpose isn't clear.

Again you have yet to provide a rationale for your logical leap of "doesn't involve procreation" --> therefore unnatural.
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SB... You are banging heads with one of the very people my last 2 posts have made reference to. You know...from your own words, WHY? WHERE'S THE LOGIC?

To some LOGIC IS "UNATURAL"!
 
Homosexuality is not wrong by worldly standards. Not much is.

Homosexuality is wrong by Christian standards. I'd not ignore over 10 verses about it.

It's honestly that simple.
 
Wake said:
Homosexuality is not wrong by worldly standards. Not much is.

Homosexuality is wrong by Christian standards. I'd not ignore over 10 verses about it.

It's honestly that simple.
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It's wrong by all of the big three, and half the rest.
 
mac said:
We could play the happened to fit bit with a lot of things.



no way, infinity.
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What is hilarious about the insanity flowing through this thread. Everybody is stuck on "WHY" and totally disregard "WHAT ARE THE SOCIAL CONSQENCES" of homosexuality.

The questions related to fundamental causes of homosexuality has been whittled down to: WE DON'T KNOW!

Is it impossible to move on to EFFECT?
 
Wake said:
Homosexuality is not wrong by worldly standards. Not much is.

Homosexuality is wrong by Christian standards. I'd not ignore over 10 verses about it.

It's honestly that simple.
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To be fair, the Bible starts off with two contradicting stories about the beginning of the universe, so it's hard to take it seriously as a source for government policy.
 
One could form a comprehensive secular/evolutional argument against homosexuality, marriage, etc.
 
theplaydrive said:
To be fair, the Bible starts off with two contradicting stories about the beginning of the universe, so it's hard to take it seriously as a source for government policy.
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Would you elaborate on this?
 
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