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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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Your Star said:
CC is Jewish.

He can elaborate more about the specifics of his personal belief system.
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I understood that myself, but he must be of a certain sect as mainstream Judaism does not condone homosexual intercourse, but generally accepts homosexuals...similar to most Christian faiths.
 
Redress said:
Clouds lack the potential to procreate. Are they unnatural too? Can you do us all a favor and actually post your definition of natural?
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Clouds? What an illogical comparison! Clouds?

Well anyway, here's your definition:

Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
 
RamFel said:
Clouds? What an illogical comparison! Clouds?

Well anyway, here's your definition:

Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
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That definition says nothing about procreation.
 
RamFel said:
Clouds? What an illogical comparison! Clouds?

Well anyway, here's your definition:

Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
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Then homosexual sex is natural.
 
RamFel said:
Clouds? What an illogical comparison! Clouds?

Well anyway, here's your definition:

Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
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Homosexuality is both existing in and caused by nature, and not made or caused by humankind. Therefore, it's natural by your own definition. Bracing for goalpost shifting in 3...2...1...
 
theplaydrive said:
That definition says nothing about procreation.
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That's because it's a dictionary, not a science textbook. You can't use that definition to prove that gay sex is natural because it's too broad and too general. And yet, you guys keep trying.

Can you prove that gay sex is natural, without using a common, everyday dictionary?

If you had, don't you think you would have used it by now?
 
RamFel said:
That's because it's a dictionary, not a science textbook. You can't use that definition to prove that gay sex is natural because it's too broad and too general. And yet, you guys keep trying.

Can you prove that gay sex is natural, without using a common, everyday dictionary?

If you had, don't you think you would have used it by now?
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What do you think a science textbook would say?
 
RamFel said:
That's because it's a dictionary, not a science textbook. You can't use that definition to prove that gay sex is natural because it's too broad and too general. And yet, you guys keep trying.

Can you prove that gay sex is natural, without using a common, everyday dictionary?

If you had, don't you think you would have used it by now?
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It's easy to prove it is natural: gay sex occurs in nature.
 
RamFel said:
That's because it's a dictionary, not a science textbook. You can't use that definition to prove that gay sex is natural because it's too broad and too general. And yet, you guys keep trying.

Can you prove that gay sex is natural, without using a common, everyday dictionary?

If you had, don't you think you would have used it by now?
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"Gay sex" is natural according to the definition you provided. Why would I prove that gay sex is natural without a common dictionary? That's where we go to find the meanings of words.
 
theplaydrive said:
"Gay sex" is natural according to the definition you provided. Why would I prove that gay sex is natural without a common dictionary? That's where we go to find the meanings of words.
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You gotta be kidding me. You expect to prove gay sex is natural.. .. with a dictionary? Have you no self respect? Have you no shame?

You can't use the dictionary because it's too general. It's not specific to anything at all. It's a dictionary!

Can you, or can you not prove gay sex is natural?
 
RamFel, you have had shown to you that with any definition from the dictionary or that you have provided, gay sex qualifies as natural. You have in fact offered a total of zero evidence that it is not natural. Your continued denial of all this is sad.
 
Redress said:
RamFel, you have had shown to you that with any definition from the dictionary or that you have provided, gay sex qualifies as natural. You have in fact offered a total of zero evidence that it is not natural. Your continued denial of all this is sad.
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Oh, but I have...many times... here it goes again.

Gay sex is unnatural because it has no potential for procreation. Natural sex can make babies, and unnatural sex cannot.

I don't have to look that up in a book because everybody knows that when hetero couples mate, a baby is born (unless they don't want one). Gays can't make a baby at all...not at all...unless and until they engage in natural sex.

But if you have something better, something that proves that I'm wrong, then I'm all ears.
 
Redress said:
RamFel, you have had shown to you that with any definition from the dictionary or that you have provided, gay sex qualifies as natural. You have in fact offered a total of zero evidence that it is not natural. Your continued denial of all this is sad.
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Preferably, not the dictionary.
 
RamFel said:
Oh, but I have...many times... here it goes again.

Gay sex is unnatural because it has no potential for procreation. Natural sex can make babies, and unnatural sex cannot.

I don't have to look that up in a book because everybody knows that when hetero couples mate, a baby is born (unless they don't want one). Gays can't make a baby at all...not at all...unless and until they engage in natural sex.

But if you have something better, something that proves that I'm wrong, then I'm all ears.
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Procreation is not part of the definition of natural. Dirt is natural, but it does not procreate. Repeating it time and again is not going to make it suddenly a part of the definition of natural.
 
RamFel said:
You gotta be kidding me. You expect to prove gay sex is natural.. .. with a dictionary? Have you no self respect? Have you no shame?

You can't use the dictionary because it's too general. It's not specific to anything at all. It's a dictionary!

Can you, or can you not prove gay sex is natural?
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Where does your definition of natural come from?
 
RamFel said:
Oh, but I have...many times... here it goes again.

Gay sex is unnatural because it has no potential for procreation. Natural sex can make babies, and unnatural sex cannot.

I don't have to look that up in a book because everybody knows that when hetero couples mate, a baby is born (unless they don't want one). Gays can't make a baby at all...not at all...unless and until they engage in natural sex.

But if you have something better, something that proves that I'm wrong, then I'm all ears.
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You are wrong. Most of the time, when heterosexuals engage in sex, they do not procreate. In fact, there are many, many times that "heterosexual sex" between two people will not lead to a pregnancy, some of those are even when an opposite sex couple are trying to procreate.

Procreation is not a guaranteed possibility just because a couple is a man and a woman.
 
RamFel said:
Oh, but I have...many times... here it goes again.

Gay sex is unnatural because it has no potential for procreation. Natural sex can make babies, and unnatural sex cannot.

I don't have to look that up in a book because everybody knows that when hetero couples mate, a baby is born (unless they don't want one). Gays can't make a baby at all...not at all...unless and until they engage in natural sex.

But if you have something better, something that proves that I'm wrong, then I'm all ears.
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1) Procreation is not a requirement for sex to be natural. There are plenty of sex acts that do not lead to procreation, including intercourse. This has been explained to you OVER AND OVER. Your denial about this is solely because you know that you have been completely destroyed in this debate, but you being willfully ignorant and refusing to acknoweldge facts as presented.

2) You have already proven homosexuality to be natural:

RamFel said:
Natural: existing in, or formed by nature.
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RamFel said:
You gotta be kidding me. You expect to prove gay sex is natural.. .. with a dictionary? Have you no self respect? Have you no shame?

You can't use the dictionary because it's too general. It's not specific to anything at all. It's a dictionary!

Can you, or can you not prove gay sex is natural?
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Then prove it with something else. I asked you for a definition. You provided one, and then, when it proved you wrong, you backed away from it, and are now moving the goalposts. Give us another definition of natural... WITH LINKS TO YOUR SOURCE. No links... not acceptable.
 
RamFel said:
Oh, but I have...many times... here it goes again.

Gay sex is unnatural because it has no potential for procreation. Natural sex can make babies, and unnatural sex cannot.

I don't have to look that up in a book because everybody knows that when hetero couples mate, a baby is born (unless they don't want one). Gays can't make a baby at all...not at all...unless and until they engage in natural sex.

But if you have something better, something that proves that I'm wrong, then I'm all ears.
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So women who have had complete hysterectomies cannot have natural sex. Correct?
 
mac said:
That doesn't prove that human homosexual sex is natural.
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Human beings are a part of nature. Therefore, all human sex occurs in nature. It's natural according to the definition RamFel provided.
 
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