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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?


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This. Honestly, I may respect them a little more if they'd just say they don't like gay people. I'd still think they were bigots, but I'd respect them more.

I honestly would think dumb asses were smarter if they actually read what people posted and did not attribute what they want to see in a post.
 
It's fairly easy to see some one saying "the buck stops over there, with god. It's not my fault I want to keep people from doing something perfectly reasonable in the secular world, god told me I had to".

This is exactly what I mean.
 
I honestly would think dumb asses were smarter if they actually read what people posted and did not attribute what they want to see in a post.

Very intelligent response, Not-A-Dumbass, PhD.

I can see what they're saying. It's just a crap excuse. And they've used it before - "god" told them women weren't equal and some people should be slaves too. How is this different, just because it happens to be the current expression of pass-the-buck-to-my-sky-fairy bigotry?
 
Very intelligent response, Not-A-Dumbass, PhD.

PhD doesn't mean ****. I know plenty of dumb asses with a PhD.

I can see what they're saying. It's just a crap excuse. And they've used it before - "god" told them women weren't equal and some people should be slaves too.

No one has said anything close here this evening.

How is this different, just because it happens to be the current expression of pass-the-buck-to-my-sky-fairy bigotry?
What an insightful intelligent response to further debate. I better get my PhD out. :roll:

PS anyone who has to mention they have a PhD on the Internets to show their intelligence is absolute and utter fail, lol.
 
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You're not very good at sarcasm, are you. Or following what's going on.

No one said anything about these things. They were examples from history of the EXACT same argument they're making now about why gays shouldn't have equal rights.

I notice you've never addressed the point.
 
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You're not very good at sarcasm, are you. Or following what's going on.

Your response was truthful, that is what is so sad.

No one said anything about these things. They were examples from history of the EXACT same argument they're making now about why gays shouldn't have equal rights.

Exactly. Examples from history that give you a bigoted view of anyone who follows the (what did you say?) "Sky Bigot?"

Pot, meet kettle.

I notice you've never addressed the point.

It has been addressed many, MANY times on this board by myself, Jamersage, Digsbe, Goshin and the list goes on. No need to repeat it here, just use the search function or go to the religion forum.
 
Your response was truthful, that is what is so sad.

Exactly. Examples from history that give you a bigoted view of anyone who follows the (what did you say?) "Sky Bigot?"

Pot, meet kettle.

It has been addressed many, MANY times on this board by myself, Jamersage, Digsbe, Goshin and the list goes on. No need to repeat it here, just use the search function or go to the religion forum.

Dude... you totally missed the point. I don't have a PhD.

I was saying it sarcastically to and about you. Oh, never mind. It's hopeless.

How is it not odd to you that they use the same excuse every time an oppressed minority wants their rights? "Sorry, my god says you can't have them. It's not me, it's god."

...And then take it back a few decades later.
 
Man people don't read.

This has nothing to do with liking or disliking anyone. It has to do with the God you believe in saying it is wrong. How hard is that a concept to understand?

You still have not presented one logical argument against SSM. You still continue to blame your position on god, instead of accepting responsibility for your position.
 
Obviously.

Well it is sometimes hard to catch "sarcasm" from the typed word.

I thought you just said PhD doesn't equal smart. So how is it obvious if I do or don't? Oh. I guess it doesn't serve your antagonism at this particular moment.
 
You still have not presented one logical argument against SSM. You still continue to blame your position on god, instead of accepting responsibility for your position.

You mean attacking posters, getting all emotional and calling them dumb asses didn't convince you? :D
 
You still have not presented one logical argument against SSM. You still continue to blame your position on god, instead of accepting responsibility for your position.

Your never going to get one out of him.

I guess he thinks religion and politics should mingle :shrug:
 
How is it not odd to you that they use the same excuse every time an oppressed minority wants their rights? "Sorry, my god says you can't have them. It's not me, it's god."

You leave out the majority of religious folk were the supporters of abolitionism, oh wait the MAJORITY of abolitionism were Christian groups. The MAJORITY of the civil rights movements were? You guessed it Christians!

So you want to only see your white washed version of history? No pun intended.

...And then take it back a few decades later.

Just did. Enjoy the mudd.
 
You mean attacking posters, getting all emotional and calling them dumb asses didn't convince you? :D

Because calling them bigots is so much more mature. :roll:
 
You still have not presented one logical argument against SSM. You still continue to blame your position on god, instead of accepting responsibility for your position.

Because I have already stated my position 2 or 3 times now. You have yet to even read it one time obviously.
 
You leave out the majority of religious folk were the supporters of abolitionism, oh wait the MAJORITY of abolitionism were Christian groups. The MAJORITY of the civil rights movements were? You guessed it Christians!

So you want to only see your white washed version of history? No pun intended.

Just did. Enjoy the mudd.

Uh, doesn't really count when most people were Christians, not being a Christian results in being basically kicked out of society (so for all we know they were all closet atheists), and abolitionists and the anti-abolitionists were arguing from the same damn book. Which just goes to show how inconsistent and subject to the projection of the reader it is. Just because I agree with abolition of slavery doesn't mean I don't think using the Bible is a dumb way to argue it.

Also, what evidence do you have the majority of the religious was abolitionist?

No you didn't. Excluding all factors that negate your position isn't really an argument.
 
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Because I have already stated my position 2 or 3 times now. You have yet to even read it one time obviously.

Maybe I did miss it. Where is your logical argument that is not based on blaming some one else?
 
Because calling them bigots is so much more mature. :roll:

Its ok keep calm, no need to wig out and have another tantrum, you could just always answer what they want or just say "I did already" again and have nobody agree.
 
You leave out the majority of religious folk were the supporters of abolitionism, oh wait the MAJORITY of abolitionism were Christian groups. The MAJORITY of the civil rights movements were? You guessed it Christians!

So you want to only see your white washed version of history? No pun intended.



Just did. Enjoy the mudd.

So Christians do not support SSM?
 
Also doesn't negate the fact that Christianity was used to justify slavery for centuries.
 
Uh, doesn't really count when most people were Christians, not being a Christian results in being basically kicked out of society (so for all we know they were all closet atheists), and abolitionists and the anti-abolitionists were arguing from the same damn book. Which just goes to show how inconsistent and subject to the projection of the reader it is. Just because I agree with abolition of slavery doesn't mean I don't think using the Bible is a dumb way to argue it.

Also, what evidence do you have the majority of the religious was abolitionist?

No you didn't. Excluding all factors that negate your position isn't really an argument.

Also don't forget that according to him its also a fact that most Christians would bang anything! :2rofll:
 
Now I am going to play a little game called "look how stupid posters are."

Here is a list of my posts and positions on SSM which somehow the "smart people" missed... allot... And made assumptions based on their own bigotry for Christians...

It's about gays who want the same rights as married couples. I have no problem with that even if I find the lifestyle abhorrent. - http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/99998-homosexuality-sinful-and-unnatural-34.html#post1059521645

Of course this has little to do with me supporting so. - http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/99998-homosexuality-sinful-and-unnatural-36.html#post1059521712

I agree. I support gay marriage. People are just making assumption based on knee jerk reactions. Thanks for not jumping on that boat. This does not however change my view about the majority of gay men or men in general, lol. - http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/99998-homosexuality-sinful-and-unnatural-37.html

Thanks for playing. :2wave:
 
Now I am going to play a little game called "look how stupid posters are."

Here is a list of my posts and positions on SSM which somehow the "smart people" missed... allot... And made assumptions based on their own bigotry for Christians...

It's about gays who want the same rights as married couples. I have no problem with that even if I find the lifestyle abhorrent. - http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/99998-homosexuality-sinful-and-unnatural-34.html#post1059521645

Of course this has little to do with me supporting so. - http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/99998-homosexuality-sinful-and-unnatural-36.html#post1059521712

I agree. I support gay marriage. People are just making assumption based on knee jerk reactions. Thanks for not jumping on that boat. This does not however change my view about the majority of gay men or men in general, lol. - http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/99998-homosexuality-sinful-and-unnatural-37.html

Thanks for playing. :2wave:

"hedonistic gay lifestyle"..That is ****ing hilarious. You should actually get out and meet some gay people.

You are right, I missed the one post you actually said you supported gay marriage, which is a change in position for you.
 
I know.

I was challenging the consideration of discrimination-by-proxy-of-god as being a valid argument.

I wasn't asking what your position was. You told me. Though I find it odd you defend such baseless argumentation when you yourself aren't using it (that I'm aware - as established, the Bible can mean whatever the reader desires it to).

I was asking why you're defending bad argumentation and a religious immunity to defend ones arguments as being valid in the debate.
 
"hedonistic gay lifestyle"..That is ****ing hilarious. You should actually get out and meet some gay people.

You are right, I missed the one post you actually said you supported gay marriage, which is a change in position for you.

no no no no redress its a FACT that is how "da gays" live and totally relevant.

Also lets not think about the reality that MAYBE gays are more promiscuous because they CANT get married and are forced to hide in many cases, I mean even if their lifestyle mattered to the debate we could never look at common sense like that and factor it in.
 
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