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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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mac said:
Sure, because it happens in nature is not a valid explanation for why it happens in humans. We can only assume that certain behaviors are instances of homosexual activity based on observation, when in fact the behavior could be non sexual to that actor.

As far as logical fallacies go, this should help.
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Scientific study is an "appeal to nature"...that's far out, Mac...
 
mac said:
Whatever, an appeal to nature is an appeal to nature. If you want to discuss if its natural for humans, you have to explore human homosexuality....not bonobo or giraffe.
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Mac, I would ask, sincerely, when it was that you decided to become straight (and I assume that you are)?
 
mac said:
Whatever, an appeal to nature is an appeal to nature. If you want to discuss if its natural for humans, you have to explore human homosexuality....not bonobo or giraffe.
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The appeal to nature fallacy though is a specific type of fallacy though that attempts to equate morality or something as being right or wrong with something being natural or unnatural.

Fallacious: Appeal to Nature » Ziztur.com: Finding joy in being wrong

If the argument is simply about how we determine if something is natural or not is not a logical fallacy but rather simply a disagreement as to how to determine if something is natural or not.
 
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mac said:
Whatever, an appeal to nature is an appeal to nature. If you want to discuss if its natural for humans, you have to explore human homosexuality....not bonobo or giraffe.
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And humans do it, without artificial intrusion, therefore it is natural for humans. Natural is not an indicator of something being morally right, as you seem to believe.
 
sinful?
well that depends on ones own few of it or their religion so the answer varies and since we are in america it is also meaningless

unnatural?
according to who and what? this also is TOTALLY subjective, theres people that would call anything but missionary sex position unnatural, or oral sex. SO again the answer varies and since we are in america it is also meaningless

not sure the point of this thread?
oh yes I am its to bait posters, troll and to bash homosexuals but it failed :D

oh well guess there are more smart and objective people here than someone thought ;)
 
Risky Thicket said:
Mac, I would ask, sincerely, when it was that you decided to become straight (and I assume that you are)?
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What does that have to do with whether or not an appeal nature is a logical fallacy or not?
 
Your Star said:
And humans do it, without artificial intrusion, therefore it is natural for humans. Natural is not an indicator of something being morally right, as you seem to believe.
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I don't believe that, but I also don't believe the homosexual intercourse is natural.
 
roguenuke said:
The appeal to nature fallacy though is a specific type of fallacy though that attempts to equate morality or something as being right or wrong with something being natural or unnatural.

Fallacious: Appeal to Nature » Ziztur.com: Finding joy in being wrong

If the argument is simply about how we determine if something is natural or not is not a logical fallacy but rather simply a disagreement as to how to determine if something is natural or not.
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If you are trying to justify human activity by relating it to nature, it's a logical fallacy.
 
Your Star said:
And humans do it, without artificial intrusion, therefore it is natural for humans. Natural is not an indicator of something being morally right, as you seem to believe.
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Sex is another subject altogether when opportunity knocks.

Show me a straight guy who wouldn't jump at the chance to join two bi-chicks in a manage-a-tois. All the moral pap and blather about homosexuality goes out the window in a heartbeat when opportunity knocks and "opportunity" happens to be two beautiful women. At that point sex ain't for procreation and heterosexuality doesn't mean diddly.
 
mac said:
I don't believe that, but I also don't believe the homosexual intercourse is natural.
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How is homosexual sex artificial then?
 
mac said:
What does that have to do with whether or not an appeal nature is a logical fallacy or not?
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It means that either you struggled making a satisfying choice or you didn't. Was the decision a tough one for you? How old were you when you made the decision to be straight?
 
Risky Thicket said:
It means that either you struggled making a satisfying choice or you didn't. Was the decision a tough one for you? How old were you when you made the decision to be straight?
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I was 10 when I decided that I liked girls, 12 when I confirmed it. What's your point?

How you got from logical fallacy to my struggling with my sexuality in three posts is a little ridiculous....just sayin.
 
mac said:
Are you trying to establish that artificial is the only alternative to natural?
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Yes, what I don't get is why you are trying to apply a moral value on whether something is natural or not.
 
mac said:
I was 10 when I decided that I liked girls, 12 when I confirmed it. What's your point?

How you got from logical fallacy to my struggling with my sexuality in three posts is a little ridiculous....just sayin.
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That is not you choosing a sexuality, it is you discovering your sexuality. Big difference.
 
Argument for arguments sake, logical fallacy or just simply boring?
 
mac said:
I was 10 when I decided that I liked girls, 12 when I confirmed it. What's your point?

How you got from logical fallacy to my struggling with my sexuality in three posts is a little ridiculous....just sayin.
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So you had to make a decision then? You were tempted to go in either direction, but in the end you decided to become straight?
 
Risky Thicket said:
So you had to make a decision then? You were tempted to go in either direction, but in the end you decided to become straight?
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Yep, that about sums it up. Now, would you like a DNA sample? My SSN? What's this have to do with logical fallacies?
 
mac said:
Yep, that about sums it up. Now, would you like a DNA sample? My SSN? What's this have to do with logical fallacies?
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Really? Because I never made a decision about my sexuality, I became sexually aware around age 11, and I knew I was supposed to like boys, but I was attracted to girls instead. And I was quite comfortable with this, and had my first crush on a girl shortly after. I then became uncomfortable with my sexuality because I learned people didn't like gay people, and that it was somehow wrong, and I didn't get over that until recently. I tried to choose to like men during that time, but it wasn't possible, it wasn't who I was. I couldn't just say, well since homosexuality is disliked by alot of people, I'll just be heterosexual. It doesn't work that way.
 
mac said:
No, are you?
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I guess not. I never made a decision. You on the other hand have taken the position that sexuality is a choice for everyone. That kind of screws your previous argument to hell and back doesn't it?
 
Risky Thicket said:
I guess not. I never made a decision. You on the other hand have taken the position that sexuality is a choice for everyone. That kind of screws your previous argument to hell and back doesn't it?
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I haven't taken the position that it is a choice for everyone. My position is that it may be a choice, consciously or subconsciously, it may be learned, it may be genetic and it may simply be a fetish.

That's my official position on what causes homosexuality.
 
mac said:
I haven't taken the position that it is a choice for everyone. My position is that it may be a choice, consciously or subconsciously, it may be learned, it may be genetic and it may simply be a fetish.

That's my official position on what causes homosexuality.
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What about the causes of heterosexuality?
 
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