View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

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  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

    16 5.78%
  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
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    16 5.78%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Oh I believe in my belief, but I know it's not correct in the eyes of society and I cannot prove it in the slightest. That's what makes us human. We ALL believe things that we cannot scientifically prove. Is "X" right or wrong"? Is "this" acceptable or no? It's all merely passionate conjecture that cannot be proven.
    Oh, so you believe you are infallible you just can't prove you are infallible?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I dunno, sometimes a really good pee can feel awfully satisfying....
    Belches are pretty good too. Am I supposed to be doing something to/with my stomach that I don't know about?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Belches are pretty good too. Am I supposed to be doing something to/with my stomach that I don't know about?
    lmao!

    I can't burp! I mean, sometimes a little air bubble comes up, but I can't make a noise or project it or force a burp. I'm defective in that sense.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    You said "The sexuality of other animals (especially mammals, primates and apes)." I understand what you meant, but insects count as animals as well and by the belief that through animals and especially mammals we can define what is natural. You didn't say we can only look at animals closer in relation to humans, but that's getting besides the point.
    Insects are not mammals. I did not say only those that are closer. I said the closer the better. You pull out an insect which is absurd. Insects are very very very different than us. Let's see, off the cuff, I would say you could follow it this way apes, primates, mammals, warm blooded animals, vertebrates, other animals in usefulness as a comparison. Where do insects fall on this hierarchy?

    Apes and other mammals are not on the same intelligence level as humanity.
    Fine. Intelligence is your distinction then? Homosexuality is unnatural for humans because of our intelligence? Care to explain that further?

    Sexual organs may be similar in physiology but different species cannot be equated.
    YES, THEY CAN. And they can also be distinguished. You failed to do that. None of those animjals can procreate through same sex couplings. Therefore if homosexuality is unnatural to us then it must somehow be unnatural to them.

    Mammals have very diverse sexual practices ranging from mating for life, to mating once and having a male leave the pregnant mother to fend for herself, to mating only during certain times of the year.
    Great, you have noted some actual distinctions. Now work one of those into your definition of natural.

    What is natural is best defined within a species in my opinion.
    Okay. Some people are gay and all indications are that there have always been some people that were gay. Therefore, it is natural.


    I'll say it again. My definition comes from biology.
    LOL

    The vagina is designed for the penis and for coitus. The semen is designed to harbor sperm and allow them to swim through the cervix, through the uterus, into the fallopian tube, and to fertilize an egg. Biologically, the vagina and penis are fitted for each other and other sexual acts are unnatural according to biology (like oral, anal, etc). I'll say this again though, not all unnatural things are wrong.
    My penis fits in a mouth or anus just fine.

    Procreation = natural??? Humans do lots of things that don't lead to procreation. Why don't you go around labeling those as unnatural? I would love to live a completely natural life, doing nothing but those things that lead to procreation. That would be pretty cool. But it is absurd to pretend that that is our nature.

    Humans even engage in sex that does not lead to procreation.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    I am missing the option ABNORMAL!

    Reason: Longer as 5500 years Homosexuality was threaten as Abnormality, only in the last 30 years the Mafias of politically correct secular humanists have pushed Homosexuality as a normal behavior.

    Conclusion: all societies which tolerate Homosexuality either have already disappeared or will be disappeared without any trace because tolerating of this mentally illness is a sign of decadence and lead to lower birth rates.
    Last edited by Alfons; 05-26-11 at 04:13 PM.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Sin does not exist? None, at all?

    Then why is polygamy and consensual incest between family deemd perverse? What if cousins are incestual? --
    Poor examples.

    Polygamy and Polyadry are acceptable in some cultures and not in others. In native cultures it either is about some form of extended family that can help bring up children or that historically there may be more of one sex than another.

    As a societal concept - having more than one sexual life-partner varies by culture. Currently in american society it is not, previously it was in some areas. There are other cultures where polygamy and polyandry are perfectly normal.

    Incest is another societal construct, the concept of sin is applied to make it taboo only to prevent inbreeding of genetically linked members of a society. Some animals prevent this by forcing younger animals out to find new groups and so ensure continued variation in the gene pool. Humans, having a higher order of understanding apply emotional constructs to largely enforce prevention by making it taboo.

    As for cousins - again this varies by culture for the reasons outlined above. Generally the taboo applied is the concept of "sin."

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    I am missing the option ABNORMAL!

    Reason: Longer as 5500 years Homosexuality was threaten as Abnormality, only in the last 30 years the Mafias of politically correct secular humanists have pushed Homosexuality as a normal behavior.

    Conclusion: all societies which tolerate Homosexuality either already have disappeared or will be disappeared because tolerating of this illness is a sign of decadence and of lower birth rates.
    I would consider low human birth rates as a benefit. We have over populated the planet as it is imo.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    I am missing the option ABNORMAL!

    Reason: Longer as 5500 years Homosexuality was threaten as Abnormality, only in the last 30 years the Mafias of politically correct secular humanists have pushed Homosexuality as a normal behavior.
    :rollseyes:

    Homosexuality is not normal. But normal is simply a statistical term. Who cares? Interracial couplings are not normal.

    Conclusion: all societies which tolerate Homosexuality either have already disappeared or will be disappeared without any trace because tolerating of this mentally illness is a sign of decadence and lead to lower birth rates.
    And this would be a winning argument for nazis or herd animals. But since I do not believe the highest political value is birth rates, but rather the rights of the individual (just as our founders believed), it fails to be compelling.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    The idea of gay sex/marriage creating a decrease in population growth is silly. The estimated percentage of gays is pretty low, and I'm sure those idiots having 19+ children will more than compensate for the difference.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    For those who are arguing that homosexuality is unnatural, it doesn't really matter. Whether or not something is natural has nothing to do with whether or not it is good or bad. Driving a car, wearing polyester clothes, walking on the moon, etc. are all arguably "unnatural" and yet that does not make them bad things.

    And even if you do try to argue that homosexuality is unnatural in order to spin it in a bad light, that is simply based on your personal definition of natural. Natural can mean many different things. If something occurs prevalently in nature, then that could be defined as "natural" and homosexuality certainly does occur in hundreds of different species in nature.

    What you are trying to argue is that you can't conceive of how homosexuality serves a purpose. However, that is a poor definition of natural since it doesn't actually relate to nature, it relates to your ability to conceive of a purpose for homosexuality. As such, you arbitrarily argue that all sex must serve the purpose of procreation in order to be natural, but sex serves different purposes for different people. An infertile couple cannot procreate but they can still have sex for pleasure and bonding. Nobody would likely call that "unnatural", and so it isn't unnatural when homosexual couples have sex for pleasure and bonding.

    So I really don't see the point in calling it "unnatural" but if you it makes you feel better to call it such, then have at it I guess.

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