View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
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    16 5.78%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Again...it goes back to precedent. If proven to be genetic...given civil rights laws, there'd be no legal opposition to ssm.
    Civil rights laws are what was used to determine that interracial marriage bans were unconstitutional, yet according to what you are saying, all attractions could be choices, so then the choice to be attracted to people who are not of a certain race was given equal access to civil rights.

    Unless you are saying that it was based on the race of those involved, which would mean that you would have to use the same reasoning with same sex marriage, and base civil rights on the sex of those involved. Sex, like race, is not a choice.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    So in other words if I have faith that stealing is OK even though the Bible says no, it's OK because I have faith! I get it now.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Then explain how "a man shall not lie with a man" can be twisted? The laws are very clear.
    OT out New Covenant in. You seem to forget that quite easily.

    Exactly. He defined what it was and what it is supposed to be.
    He defined what it was in that era, not what it is today. He was also speaking about divorce, he was not asked to define marriage for all time.

    So now you speak for God?
    Yes. Every man is the arbiter of right and wrong. If you read the Bible you should know Jesus put God's law in the heart and mind of all his followers.

    The statements in the Bible say different.
    You mean how you interpret the Bible.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is nothing wrong with that. However, it is not a logical argument, it is an emotional one.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Civil rights laws are what was used to determine that interracial marriage bans were unconstitutional, yet according to what you are saying, all attractions could be choices, so then the choice to be attracted to people who are not of a certain race was given equal access to civil rights.
    Race is not sexual choice. Until someone proves it is something you are born with, it's not the same thing. Homosexuality so far seems to be a combination of internal and external factors. Race is completely out of one's control. So no, not the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Unless you are saying that it was based on the race of those involved, which would mean that you would have to use the same reasoning with same sex marriage, and base civil rights on the sex of those involved. Sex, like race, is not a choice.
    It has not been proved that sex is not a choice. I don't believe in some cases it is a choice, but in others I do think it is absolutely a choice.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Civil rights laws are what was used to determine that interracial marriage bans were unconstitutional, yet according to what you are saying, all attractions could be choices, so then the choice to be attracted to people who are not of a certain race was given equal access to civil rights.

    Unless you are saying that it was based on the race of those involved, which would mean that you would have to use the same reasoning with same sex marriage, and base civil rights on the sex of those involved. Sex, like race, is not a choice.
    Well, first...what I am saying is that if it were deemed genetic (beyond control) than the American legal system would not be able to stand in the way of it. Second, comparing it to interracial marriage is not the same thing as same gender marriage. Primarily for the reason that the only interracial marriage that was ever banned was between whites and blacks in America...not between those of any race, everywhere. Apples and oranges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?

    Do you think it sinless and natural? Why?

    Can you prove your claim?
    You'd better believe it! The only reason some don't believe it is because they've sold out. They used to believe, but because of their political leanings, their newfound "enlightenment". Is it unnatural? You don't need to be a genius to figure that one out!
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    OT out New Covenant in. You seem to forget that quite easily.
    I have not forgotten anything but you certainly have no kind of comprehension. It was in reference to translation.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    He defined what it was in that era, not what it is today. He was also speaking about divorce, he was not asked to define marriage for all time.
    The Bible says Gods law is eternal. So no.

    And he did define marriage for all time, his law is eternal.

    You want to change it in favor of man's law which is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yes. Every man is the arbiter of right and wrong. If you read the Bible you should know Jesus put God's law in the heart and mind of all his followers.
    Absolutely and they wrote is down for us as well since Jesus is not around to teach anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You mean how you interpret the Bible.
    In this case the preponderance of the evidence says the interpretation is correct.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, first...what I am saying is that if it were deemed genetic (beyond control) than the American legal system would not be able to stand in the way of it. Second, comparing it to interracial marriage is not the same thing as same gender marriage. Primarily for the reason that the only interracial marriage that was ever banned was between whites and blacks in America...not between those of any race, everywhere. Apples and oranges.
    First, both types of attractions would be a choice or not. They are both types of attractions.

    Second, you are wrong. There were states that banned marriages between whites and other races besides just blacks and there were even some that limited marriage to within each race only.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So in other words if I have faith that stealing is OK even though the Bible says no, it's OK because I have faith! I get it now.
    You obviously do not understand what I am saying.
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