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  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

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  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    And why is that, CriticalThought? What validates your belief? A feeling? Something deep within hat makes you feel absolutely convinced that you alone are right in your beliefs? You aren't absolute.

    Why do you believe what you believe? Can you even prove it? What makes your belief better than an unlikeable belief that also can't be proven? Popularity?

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    Why do you believe what you believe Wake? Can you prove it? What makes your belief better than someone else's?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Feelings are for naught if unprovable. They all, and I mean all, become equal.

    Prove that any belief can be scientifically proven.
    So what your basically saying here is, that nothing is true, and everything is permitted?
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    Ultimately, sin is another word for wrong. CT believes in "wrong," but calls it wrong, not sin. Beliefs and feelings, by definition, don't have proof, so Wake is just being silly.

    I have a moral construct that autonomous adults should have maximum liberty to do whatever they want. The ongoing interpretation to maintain that construct is in where the lines are that, if a person uses his liberty to cross, infringes on liberty of another. One freedom can't be wielded to deny another's.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    And why is that, CriticalThought? What validates your belief? A feeling? Something deep within hat makes you feel absolutely convinced that you alone are right in your beliefs? You aren't absolute.
    A bit of socialization. A bit of my personality. A bit of my education. Not any one thing. Of course, unlike you, I do question why I believe what I believe. I don't just go off a gut feeling.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Just curious. How do you define sin?
    If I had to define sin I would say the act of sinning is the violation of God's laws.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Ultimately, sin is another word for wrong. CT believes in "wrong," but calls it wrong, not sin. Beliefs by definition don't have proof, so it's silly to ask.
    Actually sin means "estrangement from God".

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    According to most sects of Christianity and their interpretations of the Bible, it is a sin. Obviously, it's not a sin for non-believers or people who interpret the Bible differently. As for it being natural or unnatural, I would say it is, in effect, natural because pleasure can be derived from it. If sex were solely for the purposes of procreation, why does it feel good? What is the point of an orgasm? One would think that sex would be a boring biological function just like urinating or defecating if it were solely for the purposes of procreation. If the anus was solely meant for releasing waste and not to be a sexual orifice for some, why are we built to get pleasure from massaging and stimulation the prostate? Why do people get off from anal sex? Do you honestly think they are just deranged perverted lunatics?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    People are against murder because they don't like it. Doesn't mean it's wrong, right? Like =/= absolute.

    Shocking, yes?
    Non defensive killing is wrong by the clear majority's standards.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    And?

    You are talking about insects which are very different from us. I already indicated that we can not only look at animals and that the closer the relation the more usueful. You still deployed the strawman, anyway. Wow!
    You said "The sexuality of other animals (especially mammals, primates and apes)." I understand what you meant, but insects count as animals as well and by the belief that through animals and especially mammals we can define what is natural. You didn't say we can only look at animals closer in relation to humans, but that's getting besides the point. Apes and other mammals are not on the same intelligence level as humanity. Sexual organs may be similar in physiology but different species cannot be equated. Mammals have very diverse sexual practices ranging from mating for life, to mating once and having a male leave the pregnant mother to fend for herself, to mating only during certain times of the year. What is natural is best defined within a species in my opinion.

    Which are not that different than the reproductive systems of bonobos, bison or even penguins, IN THIS CASE. None of those species can procreate through same sex couplings. You have not identified a relevant distinction.
    I'll say it again. My definition comes from biology. The vagina is designed for the penis and for coitus. The semen is designed to harbor sperm and allow them to swim through the cervix, through the uterus, into the fallopian tube, and to fertilize an egg. Biologically, the vagina and penis are fitted for each other and other sexual acts are unnatural according to biology (like oral, anal, etc). I'll say this again though, not all unnatural things are wrong.

    It's my belief that homosexuality is unnatural according to biology. It is natural socially. My religious beliefs are that homosexuality is a sin. However my beliefs is that homosexuals deserve equal rights and should be allowed to wed.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Sin does not exist? None, at all?

    Then why is polygamy and consensual incest between family deemd perverse? What if cousins are incestual? Would you try to stop them?

    If you do not beliee in sin, how, then, can you believe in "wrong"? How does that add up, Cephus, if you equate humans to animals and animals do not regard the term "wrong"?
    I define "right" and "wrong" in terms of whether or not my actions will directly infringe upon the rights of another. I don't, in that sense, oppose polygamy, but do oppose incest, because the product of incest is more likely to be genetically defective in some way.
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