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Thread: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't think the sexuality of other animals can be equated to human sexuality. My definition of unnatural is how the reproductive system of the human species is designed. The reproductive system was designed for the opposite sex. Even though I believe homosexuality is unnatural and a sin I still support homosexual rights, those are just my beliefs on the matter.
    Right, let's avoid creating a rigorous definition that makes the propaganda phrase fall flat.

    The sexuality of other animals (especially mammals, primates and apes) is most definitely useful in understanding human sexuality. It's certainly not the only thing we should consider, but in the cases where it does not apply you need to provide a valid reason why it should not apply. You have not done so. Gay sex in bonobos does not lead to reproduction. It does not lead to reproduction in bison. It does not lead to reproduction in penguins. Is gay sex in those species unnatural?

    Your definition of natural is totally dependent on the idea that human nature was determined by God and therefore is not comparable to what is natural in other animals.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I believe that it is a sin according to the Bible. I also believe it's unnatural.
    Set your belief aside. (If you canít youíre not even free to think about this subject, youíre just quoting someone else.) Then, please give us considered answers. Thanks.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Sin does not exist? None, at all?

    Then why is polygamy and consensual incest between family deemd perverse? What if cousins are incestual? Would you try to stop them?

    If you do not beliee in sin, how, then, can you believe in "wrong"? How does that add up, Cephus, if you equate humans to animals and animals do not regard the term "wrong"?
    One can have a sense of right and wrong without believing in sin. Sin is a religious idea, and if one is not religious, then believing in sin is something absurd to them.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Sorry, I mistook your "nature" comment to mean animal life.
    I don't think if humans do something it automatically makes it natural. Some humans have sex with children and others have sex with objects, I don't think those are natural. My definition of unnatural is more from a biological standpoint and not necessarily a social one. I do agree though that not all unnatural things are bad. Treating people with synthetic medicines is unnatural but it isn't bad.
    I define natural by something that occurs in nature, without artificial interference, or help. So yes, I think those examples you listed are natural.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    I'm not sure I'd believe that any god would define something as wrong, that means you couldn't follow your heart to the person you love.

    If so, I'd rather not be a part of such a religion or god.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Set your belief aside. (If you can’t you’re not even free to think about this subject, you’re just quoting someone else.) Then, please give us considered answers. Thanks.
    You set your belief aside, OhIsee.Then.

    Do not assume your belief is scientifically correct. You are not absolute. We all speak our beliefs, and all of our beliefs are unproven in terms of "right and "wrong." Do not for once think your belief is absolute among others.

    If you're not even free to think deeply on this subject, then you're just speaking someone else's talking points.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Sin does not exist? None, at all?

    Then why is polygamy and consensual incest between family deemd perverse? What if cousins are incestual? Would you try to stop them?
    Social norms. What if? No.

    If you do not beliee in sin, how, then, can you believe in "wrong"? How does that add up, Cephus, if you equate humans to animals and animals do not regard the term "wrong"?
    You will know them by their fruits (not fruity queer). "Wrong" as a moral concept is only meaningful in how we interact with each other.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Sin does not exist? None, at all?

    Then why is polygamy and consensual incest between family deemd perverse?
    it's a societal issue.

    What if cousins are incestual? Would you try to stop them?
    If you are religious and believe in the Bible and the story of creation as related in Genesis...who do you think the children of Adam and Eve had sex with? only two options, they either had sex with their siblings or one of their parents.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Set your belief aside. (If you canít youíre not even free to think about this subject, youíre just quoting someone else.) Then, please give us considered answers. Thanks.
    Um, I do set my beliefs aside as even though I believe homosexuality is a sin and wrong I still support SSM and homosexual rights. Please don't be arrogant and judgmental of my beliefs.
    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Right, let's avoid creating a rigorous definition that makes the propaganda phrase fall flat.

    The sexuality of other animals (especially mammals, primates and apes) is most definitely useful in understanding human sexuality. It's certainly not the only thing we should consider, but in the cases where it does not apply you need to provide a valid reason why it should not apply. You have not done so. Gay sex in bonobos does not lead to reproduction. It does not lead to reproduction in bison. It does not lead to reproduction in penguins. Is gay sex in those species unnatural?

    Your definition of natural is totally dependent on the idea that human nature was determined by God and therefore is not comparable to what is natural in other animals.
    In nature, some animals will eat their mate or mate before they die. My arguments come from biology and the design and function of the human reproductive system.


    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I define natural by something that occurs in nature, without artificial interference, or help. So yes, I think those examples you listed are natural.
    We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think socially homosexuality isn't unnatural, but biologically it is.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    One can have a sense of right and wrong without believing in sin. Sin is a religious idea, and if one is not religious, then believing in sin is something absurd to them.
    What should be noted is that this, too, is an unproven belief. Can you scientifically prove that one can have a sense of right and wrong without believing in sin, Your Star? I think you cannot. What validates your belief? A feeling?

    Nonreligious people can have legions of beliefs uinproven, as well. Yours is no exception.

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