View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Legal marriage is what it is. It isn't an opinion, it can be shown to be true for how the law treats those in a legal marriage. It doesn't matter what either of our personal views on marriage are for us to see what legal marriage is currently from a strictly legal viewpoint.
    Well so far the Federal and most states law says you are wrong. I know that is a fallacy, but it apples.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    All laws must be consistant with the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment, which judges people based on their similar situations for the law and how it is applied. So, if we look at how the law applies to opposite sex couples, then we have to see what exactly makes all same sex couples different from all opposite sex couples. The only answer to that is the sex of those involved in the relationship, since opposite sex couples who cannot have children with each other and/or do not want to produce/raise children with each are still allowed to get legally married. And homosexuals can still be legally married, as long as they are married to someone of a different sex, just like heterosexuals/asexuals/bisexuals who wish to be married to a person of the same sex (for whatever reason) are being denied entry into this legal contract as well.
    Yes they are. So the law is not applied equally. Never has been and never will be to some people.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    I'm sure men are happy to know you basically think they're dumb animals. Nice.

    Gender stereotypes are fun.
    Whats even better is whats that mean for the 70+% of the country that is Christian? Guess that means according to him that that they arent too Christian, in fact most of them would bang anything that moves. lol Talk about absurd.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And that is your opinion. It is fine but if this were the case under US law prostitution would be legal as well as drug use, they are not. So we most certainly can.
    And I think prostitution should be legal, as well as drug use to an extent. But those are different issues.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    What am I supposed to base it on, your life experience?
    Just pointing out that it's anecdotal evidence.

    Show me just 1 survey of homosexual men that the majority were not having sex with allot of partners far above the heterosexual statistic. I looked, can't find one. Found a couple that said the opposite.
    Why should I? It's actually irrelevant to the issue. You made a link between lifestyle and something that should be state-sponsored. Since the lifestyle that you presented is not an absolute, I see no logic where it can apply.

    Who is anti-SSM? Not me. Did you read my post???
    Here's the statement in question: "I don't think the hedonistic gay life style is in the states interest, period". Now, how about this... tell me if you agree with this statement: "I don't think a hedonistic life style is in the states interest, period".

    Where did you come up with that? Are you reading what I posted????
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    It's like determining whether people should marry based on behavior at Club Med.
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    The last part about club med is funny if not applicable.
    Key word "applicable". That's why I asked the question.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    And I think prostitution should be legal, as well as drug use to an extent. But those are different issues.
    Different issues that are still moral issues just like SSM.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well so far the Federal and most states law says you are wrong. I know that is a fallacy, but it apples.



    Yes they are. So the law is not applied equally. Never has been and never will be to some people.
    Ummm... BD... you just attributed something to me that I never said. Was this in error?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Different issues that are still moral issues just like SSM.
    Absolutely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well so far the Federal and most states law says you are wrong. I know that is a fallacy, but it apples.
    No, those laws don't say that I'm wrong about how the laws work but rather that they don't want to provide those same exact things that I listed to certain couples, in this case, based on the relative sexes of the two wanting the contract. What I described is how the law is, it just that the anti-SSM side is not defending the law using how exactly the law works/applies to all legally married couples. Most judges are overlooking this (most likely due to their own biases on SSM), but some have ruled in accordance with these laws and how they apply and how that pertains to the 14th.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes they are. So the law is not applies equally. Never has been and never will be to some people.
    Which is why I fight so hard for SSM. The law should apply equally to the greatest extent possible, especially in cases where the only difference between the two groups are the relative sexes of the two (or races, or religions, or ages, etc.) without any proof of harm if the law is applied equally.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Just pointing out that it's anecdotal evidence.
    So what? It is supported by surveys of gay men as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Why should I? It's actually irrelevant to the issue. You made a link between lifestyle and something that should be state-sponsored. Since the lifestyle that you presented is not an absolute, I see no logic where it can apply.
    It is not irrelevant to what I said IN CONTEXT of my post. Because that lifestyle in 2% to 10% of a minority population is not in the sates interest.

    So yes it does apply and it is a fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Here's the statement in question: "I don't think the hedonistic gay life style is in the states interest, period". Now, how about this... tell me if you agree with this statement: "I don't think a hedonistic life style is in the states interest, period".
    It is not in either case. The difference is you are talking about maybe 10% of the 90% majority vs what? 75% of a 10% minority.

    Do the math.

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    Key word "applicable". That's why I asked the question.
    It is not applicable as it was an exaggeration to a statement of indisputable fact in the case of gay men.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, those laws don't say that I'm wrong about how the laws work but rather that they don't want to provide those same exact things that I listed to certain couples, in this case, based on the relative sexes of the two wanting the contract. What I described is how the law is, it just that the anti-SSM side is not defending the law using how exactly the law works/applies to all legally married couples. Most judges are overlooking this (most likely due to their own biases on SSM), but some have ruled in accordance with these laws and how they apply and how that pertains to the 14th.
    So far the law still disagrees in practice and that says allot.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which is why I fight so hard for SSM. The law should apply equally to the greatest extent possible, especially in cases where the only difference between the two groups are the relative sexes of the two (or races, or religions, or ages, etc.) without any proof of harm if the law is applied equally.
    The only reason I support it is because civil unions aren't going to happen. I do think they deserve the same rights under the law. I still don't think it is a marriage and it never will be.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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