View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

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  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

    16 5.78%
  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not true, but you can think that if you like.

    Great response!
    Okay, Redress response was a joke, but how is that not true?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    In bold. You KNOW you're not going to get away with making that kind of absolutist statement without being confronted. Would you please explain what you mean by that term?
    The majority of gay "male" couples don't care about family, adoption or anything other than sex with a male partner. It is not about family at all and never was.

    In the case of lesbians it appears they are more family oriented and commit to long term relationships at a far higher percentage than gay men.

    So to me it is a double edged sword.

    PS some of this is based on my living in Northern CA for 3 years. It was not pretty, lol.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Okay, Redress response was a joke, but how is that not true?
    Read the other posts about morals.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Read the other posts about morals.
    Which post?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The majority of gay "male" couples don't care about family, adoption or anything other than sex with a male partner. It is not about family at all and never was.
    Tihs is your opinion.

    In the case of lesbians it appears they are more family oriented and commit to long term relationships at a far higher percentage than gay men.
    This too is your opinion.

    So to me it is a double edged sword.

    PS some of this is based on my living in Northern CA for 3 years. It was not pretty, lol.
    So, this was YOUR experience. OK. Here's the thing, though. You are making an absolute statement based on your perceptions alone. There are SOME gays who are hedonistic. There are SOME straights who are hedonistic. Should we eliminate straight marriage because of them?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Which post?
    CC's & my own for starters.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Both are based on authority and harm/help.
    No, they really aren't. Morality is obligated to rest on those fairly objective grounds of harm/help. If it doesn't, we have other names for baseless claims of morality.

    Sin has no such requirement. There is no common thread linking the ethics of sin together. Some sins have no ethical basis at all. Some could be considered counter-ethical.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    CC's & my own for starters.
    Here's the thing, I think it is morally wrong, to try and tell people by law what they should do with their own bodies, besides from physically harming themselves(things like cutting, suicide). Why should there be a law banning anal sex, masturbation, oral sex, sex outside of marriage?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Tihs is your opinion.
    I never said it was anything other than my opinion?

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    This too is your opinion.
    See above post.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, this was YOUR experience. OK. Here's the thing, though. You are making an absolute statement based on your perceptions alone. There are SOME gays who are hedonistic. There are SOME straights who are hedonistic. Should we eliminate straight marriage because of them?
    You read my post and start jumping to really bad conclusions. You are making assumptions that have nothing to do with anything I stated.

    Please point out where I said...

    Should we eliminate straight marriage because of them?

    It is a fact gay men are more promiscuous, and not by a little. I mean they are men.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    All marriage does not have to show procreation as it is not the only function of a family. I don't think the hedonistic gay life style is in the states interest, period. Of course I don't think this is really about the states interest at all.
    It doesn't matter what you call their lifestyle. The way that the marriage license is currently used is as a legal contract to establish legal kinship to two people who are not already considered legally to be "immediate family". It also provides certain property rights, decision rights, and various other rights/benefits to each person in the relationship due to the nature of the relationship itself. The main reason for this, currently, is to protect the couple, as a whole, and each individual within the relationship because we hold such a relationship to be important and these specific relationships have been shown to benefit society, well beyond whether the couple can have kids or are raising children at all.

    It is the nature of the relationship itself, specifically its stability and the agreement of each person in a marriage to take responsibility for the other person, that benefits society. It doesn't matter what the sex of the two involved is because it is most likely that their relationships and whether those relationships fail or not are likely to be in line with the rest of society. Plus, we do not limit opposite sex couples from marriages based either on whether they want kids, can have kids, or are raising kids, nor on what their probability of staying together is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It's about gays who want the same rights as married couples. I have no problem with that even if I find the lifestyle abhorrent.
    It's about same sex couples who want to make the same type of commitment or who have already made the same type of commitment as opposite sex couples who are married being given recognition for their commitment and not being discriminated against because they are the same sex rather than the opposite sex as each other.
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