View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

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  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Your right to be moral ends at my anus.


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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    I'm still not sure I understand what the social impacts of gay marriage would be (aside from a religious/moral stance against homosexuality). Anybody able to break that down in maybe a list form.

    Would a valid example be: Homosexuality is contagious?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I'm still not sure I understand what the social impacts of gay marriage would be (aside from a religious/moral stance against homosexuality). Anybody able to break that down in maybe a list form.

    Would a valid example be: Homosexuality is contagious?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Sin is subjective with no real basis in reality, or in the actual outcome of given "sinful" actions. Since there's no way to measure it, what's considered sinful is completely arbitrary. It doesn't relate to reality in any way. I don't think sin is even a valid concept. Asking whether or not being gay is a sin is a bit like asking if potatoes are happy or sad. It's that absurd.

    As to whether it's natural, there's overwhelming evidence that it is. We see homosexual behavior and individuals in pretty much every mammal on earth. There is obviously an innate quality to homosexuality, since it results in physically observable and consistent traits. I don't even think it's in question, even if the exact mechanisms aren't fully understood.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Government laws should not be based on protecting people's freedom, and personal choice.
    And if these are not based in morals, what is?
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Yeah, pretty much every law we have is based on morals. The morality of a society sets the standards for which laws are developed. At one time, the morality was that blacks were not equal to whites. At another, the morality was that women were not equal to men. Society evolves and the morals and beliefs of that society create the laws that we have.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And if these are not based in morals, what is?
    I should have used a different phrase, morality should not be used to make laws, unless they are pointed out in the Constitution. Things like freedom, equality, etc, not things like, alcohol is immoral, weed is immoral, homosexuality is immoral. Things like that shouldn't influence laws. You can think something is immoral, but don't force that upon me by making a law that I have to follow.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I should have used a different phrase, morality should not be used to make laws, unless they are pointed out in the Constitution. Things like freedom, equality, etc, not things like, alcohol is immoral, weed is immoral, homosexuality is immoral. Things like that shouldn't influence laws. You can think something is immoral, but don't force that upon me by making a law that I have to follow.
    YS... I would submit that all laws are based on societal norms, and most of these norms come from the morality of society. I really don't think it's possible to separate laws from morality. Now, there is certainly some mixing between morality and liberty. For example, murder. We consider murder, immoral; we also see it as a violation of liberty... therefore, it is illegal. Consider a society where murder was seen as a moral way to manage issues. Would it be legal or not? Probably legal.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Yeah, pretty much every law we have is based on morals. The morality of a society sets the standards for which laws are developed. At one time, the morality was that blacks were not equal to whites. At another, the morality was that women were not equal to men. Society evolves and the morals and beliefs of that society create the laws that we have.
    I think it's pretty easy, in the case of sin, to set it apart from morals.

    Sin isn't based on anything. Most sins have no objective reason why they're sins. It's simply claimed to be true by Biblican fiat.

    When you actually look at it, sin is fairly baseless, where as secular morality has actual reasons for its existence.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    YS... I would submit that all laws are based on societal norms, and most of these norms come from the morality of society. I really don't think it's possible to separate laws from morality. Now, there is certainly some mixing between morality and liberty. For example, murder. We consider murder, immoral; we also see it as a violation of liberty... therefore, it is illegal. Consider a society where murder was seen as a moral way to manage issues. Would it be legal or not? Probably legal.
    I think the key for our laws though is what is enshrined in the Constitution. The general idea expressed is that every person is entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness up to the point where those rights do not impede someone else's rights. Sometimes it is hard to determine where one person's rights end and another person's (or the good of society as a whole) begins, but that is what the specific Bill of Rights rights and the SCOTUS come in.

    I understand that the rights we have in the Constitution are based on our morality but we have specifically restricted them with the Constitution to prevent transient (best word I can think of to describe what I am thinking of) morality from making laws that would wrongfully restrict someone else's rights because the majority of people want to do this.
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