View Poll Results: Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?

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  • It's wrong and unnatural

    22 7.94%
  • It's not wrong, just unnatural

    16 5.78%
  • It's neither wrong nor unnatural

    107 38.63%
  • Don't know/care

    16 5.78%
  • Punish/restrict Christians for being against it

    12 4.33%
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Thread: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    How can one prove something is a sin or not? Would that not mean you would have to prove the religion is right?
    I used to be a Christian and I know the answer to this one... but it turns out, it doesn't take any religion at all to know EXACTLY what sin is.

    Romans 2:14-15
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    14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

    15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

    James 4:17
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    17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

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    But, as far as the subject of homosexuality, the Old and New Testaments go far beyond this self-awareness of sin and proscribe capital punishment in the Old and a nebulous judgement in the New.

    Romans 1
    (26) Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. (27) In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

    A reasonable person can depend on this definition: "To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." Being respectful of others should cover it.

    "Love covers a multitude of sin." (1 Peter 4:8)
    Just the facts...


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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    I'm in the 5.36% here....not wrong but un-natural..
    I cannot believe that in this day and age that some-one would say its "wrong"..
    In 1912 maybe, but not 2012....but many do live in the past.
    natural ?
    ridiculous !

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?

    Do you think it sinless and natural? Why?

    Can you prove your claim?
    It has been a part of nature since life began, that's my proof of it's normalcy. Those who wish to call it wrong, evil or "sinful" are usually closet homosexuals who need outside means to force themselves to deny their sexuality. That's why they are so threatened by gay rights, it weakens their will. It is like smokers who quit, they are the most fevered anti-smoking fanatics. They are afraid that being around smokers will weaken their will to quit.
    Last edited by iguanaman; 03-13-12 at 07:26 PM.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post

    Or how about the fact that the penalty for rape is payment to a woman's father, and forcing the woman to marry her rapist. Yes, according to the bible that preaches against homosexuality, abducting and raping women for the purpose of marrying them against their will is fine, so long as you can pay for it.
    I must protest to this, you either have not read the verses in question or have a strong misunderstanding of them.

    First, a man who rapes a woman in the city should be "STONED TO DEATH".

    If it was done in the country, he is forced to keep her "AS a wife" meaning he has to take care of all of her needs for the rest of her life.

    I personally don't know why there is the difference, but there is.

    Secondly the whole thing about a fine. 150 schekles of silver for the dishonoring of the bride. The shekel is believed to be 10 grams or so in weight. Which based in todays value would be $750 (insulting to say the least) However, some modest research suggests that Silver in 1340's was about $400 an ounce. Which would change the "Fine" from an insulting $750 to a large some of money of about $20,000. Now this does not make up for the insult but as you can imagine, it is not a trifiling amount to be thrown around either. It also would have meant poverty for anyone less than wealthy at the time.

    If we were to convert these figures into todays terms. I have no doubt that it would be "Alimony" payments for life. Which could be a great deal depending on your lawyer. Or for the dishonoring of a woman, I would suspect would be no less than $250,000.

    What are your thoughts?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    ...Those who wish to call it wrong, evil or "sinful" are usually closet homosexuals who need outside means to force themselves to deny their sexuality. That's why they are so threatened by gay rights, it weakens their will.....
    Now now, there are other reasons for obsessive homophobia, but they ALL do deal with one's sexuality. Being in the closet is only one of them.

    though, we should be reminded that a study was done showing that extreme homophobes were much more likely to get aroused by gay-sex videos, than lightly or non-homophobic men.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?

    Do you think it sinless and natural? Why?

    Can you prove your claim?
    What two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is neither society's nor the government's business. I believe everyone has the right to do what makes them happy, and I definitely detest how the church views and treats homosexuals.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?
    It is not a sin. I don't believe in sin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Do you think it sinless and natural? Why??
    The concept of "sin" was devised by religions as a means of social control. It is totally irrelevant to rational thinking and our modern world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Can you prove your claim?
    No I can't, but I would think the fact that homosexuality occurs natuirally in many animal species would kind of refute the "unnatural" argument.
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