I find it odd that we should listen civilly to ideas which have been enforced in an uncivil manner for millennium. Should we listen civilly to the arguments for slavery? What about the arguments in favor of the Holocaust? What about arguments in favor of any genocide? Sorry. The whole "civility" shtick is bull**** when it comes to discrimination of people. Discrimination for the sake of religion, race, creed, culture - whatever - is wrong. End of story. Don't think so? Stfu and go find other fringe assholes like yourself.