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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Is homosexuality a sin? It is my belief based on my faith that it is. However, just as with the thief. I do not hate the individual. I will simply encourage them to make different choices. Dislike the actions, not the person.

    Is it unnatural? I would argue that it is.

    I apologize in advance for the hatred or nasty comments this may inspire. But I wish to air these things to have a better understanding.

    This is strongly based on the following evidence. The only way to produce off-spring in the natural world is for a human. To engage in intercourse with a member of the opposite sex. Therefore it would be logical to assume based on the compatibility of nature, that because two of the same gender will never produce off-spring. It is a useless deviation of the human species.

    Now, based on this some people have gone to the point of ensuring these individuals do not reproduce. This i believe to be cruel and inhumane, these actions are unacceptable in civilized society.

    However, since it can be proven that homosexuality is a non-viable continuation of the human species this question is worth asking:

    How much of the deviations in an individual can produce homosexual tendencies?
    -Genetic Hormonal Imbalance (ie Born this way)
    -Social Conditioning (ie It's ok to experiment)
    -Sexual Confusion/Abuse (ie I can't trust a man/woman)

    these 3 reasons I believe are strong factors in the significant increase in "homosexual population".

    The final basis for increases in homosexual population is manipulation. The belief that various groups wish to use the "victimized" status of homosexuals to change laws and place themselves in power as a champion to the oppressed. I urge caution, I do not believe being gay diminishes the humanity of a person. However I do believe in this day and age in increases the chances manipulation.
    Would someone PLEASE educate this guy? I really don't have the time, tonight.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Would someone PLEASE educate this guy? I really don't have the time, tonight.
    educate or indoctrinate?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    educate or indoctrinate?
    No... I think he definitely meant educate.

    Let's see how right handed people and left handed people stack up:

    Left handed people have been proven to be better at sports and generally physical activities. We also tend to have higher IQs. We're more economically successful and tend to pursue visual careers to a higher degree of success.

    So then why is it that there is such a low percentage of us left handed people on this planet? After all, it logically follows from your statement that less useful "deviations" would have been weeded out in favor of those who are better suited for survival. It stands clear that a left handed person is in social, physical and genetic ways MORE capable than right handed people. So why are we not the norm? When we are, as far as nature is concerned, more able?

    I'll wait.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You do know that this is wrong, right? A person does not have to engage in intercourse to produce offspring. That is the most prevalent method, but not the only method. In fact, a few years ago, this woman kept the semen from giving this guy a BJ and impregnated herself with it.

    Man Receives Oral Sex, Ordered to Pay Child Support | MND: Your Daily Dose of Counter-Theory

    And many women now days have gotten pregnant through IV fertilization, which really only takes some guy masturbating in a cup and a lot of money.

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    You seem to have missed the part of "in the natural world" yes humans are clever and have found ways around it. It still does not diminish the fact that 2 humans of opposite gender were involved.

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    educate or indoctrinate?
    Educate, since you seem to have little understanding of this issue.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No... I think he definitely meant educate.

    Let's see how right handed people and left handed people stack up:

    Left handed people have been proven to be better at sports and generally physical activities. We also tend to have higher IQs. We're more economically successful and tend to pursue visual careers to a higher degree of success.

    So then why is it that there is such a low percentage of us left handed people on this planet? After all, it logically follows from your statement that less useful "deviations" would have been weeded out in favor of those who are better suited for survival. It stands clear that a left handed person is in social, physical and genetic ways MORE capable than right handed people. So why are we not the norm? When we are, as far as nature is concerned, more able?

    I'll wait.
    Left handed or right handed is based upon tendencies developed over growth. To my knowledge, (and I haven't really studied this) It is not impacted in any way by a persons genetics. Unless of course there is some deformity on the opposing side. It is a deviation that has it's uses and continues in the natural breeding cycle. However, as you have stated that left handed people seem more capable in a number of areas. Why are blue or green eyes not more common? the tend to have better night vision and acuity. But darker eyes seem to prevail. Some traits are stronger and more durable than others.

    While a left handed person may seem more capable, that is compared to a background of right handed people. Why it played out is a number of possibilities.
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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    You seem to have missed the part of "in the natural world" yes humans are clever and have found ways around it. It still does not diminish the fact that 2 humans of opposite gender were involved.
    Procreation and sexual orientation are two different things. Homosexuals can procreate and often do. This is just ONE of the many things that your post presented as ignorant. Now, you already seem like someone who has decided to NOT listen to actual information and facts, but if I have the time, I will be happy to educate you by demonstrating how most, if not all of what you said in your original post is completely invalid.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Left handed or right handed is based upon tendencies developed over growth. To my knowledge, (and I haven't really studied this) It is not impacted in any way by a persons genetics. Unless of course there is some deformity on the opposing side.
    Actually, there is plenty of evidence that handedness is biologically formed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    There is something sad about believing that the entire purpose for existence and for any action or deed is to procreate and anything else is simply a "useless deviation" worthy of hate and treated as comparable to asocial behaviors like theft. When people ask me why I could no longer support the Christian faith, this kind of thinking is on the top of the list.

    The purpose of homosexuality, as appears evident by its existance in nature, is to provide a greater adult to child ratio for child rearing purposes and to increase social bonding within highly socialized animals. The fact that Paul gets to define what is natural rather than nature defining what is natural is another less than logical aspect of the Christian faith.
    I stated that I dislike the activities, not that I unfairly condemn the person or treat them as less than a human being. I never said HATE, you are assuming far to much and expose your own bias.

    Can you show me or suggest other useful deviations derived from homosexuality? I really would like to know. The one you pose is interesting, however is an assumption. Could it not be determined from the same evidence that it is possible that homosexuality is way for humanity to "naturally" control population? If this were true than the higher the population concentration the higher the homosexuality rate would be? Know of any studies?

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    Re: Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Left handed or right handed is based upon tendencies developed over growth.
    This is false:

    Left-handedness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In 2007, researchers discovered that specific alleles of at least one of three single-nucleotide polymorphisms upstream of the already known LRRTM1 gene were linked to left-handedness.[3][4]
    Would you like to start again? I'm left handed. You may want to brush up on your knowledge of us.
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