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Is Homosexuality sinful and/or unnatural?

Is homosexuality wrong and/or unnatural?


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I find it odd that we should listen civilly to ideas which have been enforced in an uncivil manner for millennium. Should we listen civilly to the arguments for slavery? What about the arguments in favor of the Holocaust? What about arguments in favor of any genocide? Sorry. The whole "civility" shtick is bull**** when it comes to discrimination of people. Discrimination for the sake of religion, race, creed, culture - whatever - is wrong. End of story. Don't think so? Stfu and go find other fringe assholes like yourself.
 
I find it odd that we should listen civilly to ideas which have been enforced in an uncivil manner for millennium. Should we listen civilly to the arguments for slavery? What about the arguments in favor of the Holocaust? What about arguments in favor of any genocide? Sorry. The whole "civility" shtick is bull**** when it comes to discrimination of people. Discrimination for the sake of religion, race, creed, culture - whatever - is wrong. End of story. Don't think so? Stfu and go find other fringe assholes like yourself.

Simplistic and incorrect.

Whatever the topic in debate, civility is a must.

Just because you may disagree doesn't mean you can rage against them and expect to be taken seriously.

Such partisanship is vinegar in debate.
 
Simplistic and incorrect.

Whatever the topic in debate, civility is a must.

No. Sorry, I refuse to civilly listen to jerk-offs trying to justify their bigotry. :shrug:
 
No. Sorry, I refuse to civilly listen to jerk-offs trying to justify their bigotry. :shrug:

Then that is your choice, and your responsibility.
 
Then that is your choice, and your responsibility.

So you admit you started this thread in order to justify your bigotry? :)
 
Please don't put words in my mouth.

So why else do you stand against equal rights for gays? You don't seem to believe they are oppressed. You don't believe their acts are "natural". Do you dislike their clothing or something? Why are you so intolerant of homosexuality?
 
Lacking religious belief, I don't see anything as sinful.
And judging by the definitions I've read of the term "Natural", no, I don't think it's unnatural.
 
How can one prove something is a sin or not? Would that not mean you would have to prove the religion is right?

I used to be a Christian and I know the answer to this one... but it turns out, it doesn't take any religion at all to know EXACTLY what sin is.

Romans 2:14-15
King James Version (KJV)

14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

James 4:17
King James Version (KJV)

17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

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But, as far as the subject of homosexuality, the Old and New Testaments go far beyond this self-awareness of sin and proscribe capital punishment in the Old and a nebulous judgement in the New.

Romans 1
(26) Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. (27) In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

A reasonable person can depend on this definition: "To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." Being respectful of others should cover it.

"Love covers a multitude of sin." (1 Peter 4:8)
 
I'm in the 5.36% here....not wrong but un-natural..
I cannot believe that in this day and age that some-one would say its "wrong"..
In 1912 maybe, but not 2012....but many do live in the past.
natural ?
ridiculous !
 
Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?

Do you think it sinless and natural? Why?

Can you prove your claim?

It has been a part of nature since life began, that's my proof of it's normalcy. Those who wish to call it wrong, evil or "sinful" are usually closet homosexuals who need outside means to force themselves to deny their sexuality. That's why they are so threatened by gay rights, it weakens their will. It is like smokers who quit, they are the most fevered anti-smoking fanatics. They are afraid that being around smokers will weaken their will to quit.
 
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Or how about the fact that the penalty for rape is payment to a woman's father, and forcing the woman to marry her rapist. Yes, according to the bible that preaches against homosexuality, abducting and raping women for the purpose of marrying them against their will is fine, so long as you can pay for it.

I must protest to this, you either have not read the verses in question or have a strong misunderstanding of them.

First, a man who rapes a woman in the city should be "STONED TO DEATH".

If it was done in the country, he is forced to keep her "AS a wife" meaning he has to take care of all of her needs for the rest of her life.

I personally don't know why there is the difference, but there is.

Secondly the whole thing about a fine. 150 schekles of silver for the dishonoring of the bride. The shekel is believed to be 10 grams or so in weight. Which based in todays value would be $750 (insulting to say the least) However, some modest research suggests that Silver in 1340's was about $400 an ounce. Which would change the "Fine" from an insulting $750 to a large some of money of about $20,000. Now this does not make up for the insult but as you can imagine, it is not a trifiling amount to be thrown around either. It also would have meant poverty for anyone less than wealthy at the time.

If we were to convert these figures into todays terms. I have no doubt that it would be "Alimony" payments for life. Which could be a great deal depending on your lawyer. Or for the dishonoring of a woman, I would suspect would be no less than $250,000.

What are your thoughts?
 
...Those who wish to call it wrong, evil or "sinful" are usually closet homosexuals who need outside means to force themselves to deny their sexuality. That's why they are so threatened by gay rights, it weakens their will.....

Now now, there are other reasons for obsessive homophobia, but they ALL do deal with one's sexuality. Being in the closet is only one of them.

though, we should be reminded that a study was done showing that extreme homophobes were much more likely to get aroused by gay-sex videos, than lightly or non-homophobic men.
 
Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?

Do you think it sinless and natural? Why?

Can you prove your claim?
What two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is neither society's nor the government's business. I believe everyone has the right to do what makes them happy, and I definitely detest how the church views and treats homosexuals.
 
Is homosexuality sinful or unnatural? Why?

It is not a sin. I don't believe in sin.

Do you think it sinless and natural? Why??

The concept of "sin" was devised by religions as a means of social control. It is totally irrelevant to rational thinking and our modern world.

Can you prove your claim?

No I can't, but I would think the fact that homosexuality occurs natuirally in many animal species would kind of refute the "unnatural" argument.
 
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